Sukhoi Su-57 Meta Thread

Russia’s Southern Military District will receive the first batch of the Sukhoi Su-57 aircraft in 2020, Commander of the Fourth Air and Air Defense Force Major General Nikolai Gostev said on Monday.

According to him, 30 new aircraft and helicopters will be delivered in 2019.

The Russian Defense Ministry and the Sukhoi company signed a contract on the delivery of the first two Sukhoi Su-57 aircraft at the International Military and Technical Forum on August 22, 2018. Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said then that the military would receive the first Su-57 out of the planned 15 aircraft in 2019.

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Slightly confusing statements there.

a reply to: anzha

What's confusing?

Have anyone here herd that the US want to build a mock up of the SU57 to test the capability of the sensors on the F-22 and F-35?

Until now the Ariforce have used remote F-16 and other 3,5 to 4 generation fighter in the US arsenal to test their 5 gen sensors. Pentagon have known that testing their 5th gens against 3.5 and 4th generation fighters wont determine if the sensors on their F-22 or F-35 are as good as they claim. So the US want to build a mock up of the SU 57 and its sensors according to their knowledge of the Russian 5th generation.

a reply to: spy66

I'm sure they made physical RCS models as soon as the first pictures dropped. There has probably been some wind tunnel work or modelling based on the planform. They'll continue to refine the maths based on new information, but there isn't going to be a flying copy made for adversary training or anything. You don't need it.

a reply to: RadioRobert

They have at least one full size mockup used for threat identification.

This is fun..

If they find the cash to fix the engines..

a reply to: Blackfinger

There's nothing wrong with the AL-31/41. It's prolific and tolerant. The Su-57 has a greater than 1:1 thrust-to-weight ratio even with the AL-31 derivative.

I wonder about the sensor fit out on an export version. Even a barebones fitout presents some issues. Could help fund the rest of the development.

a reply to: RadioRobert

Maybe offering it to China as well. link

a reply to: Woody510

link

This article is saying it will happen now.

a reply to: Woody510

Major doubts on this one, Woody. The Chinese mock the Su-57 more than Americans do.

I don't have much in the way of inside info, but I'd bet the Chinese stealth tech is more advanced than the Russian.

I bet the Chinese would be thrilled to up buy a batch of thirty or so. Put them through the paces, tear a few apart, reverse -engineer them like they did to the earlier Flankers. Not to mention the chance to get their hands on the new AL-41 derivative (or even better the izdeliye 30).

Cheaper and easier to produce than their own designs (and my guess is the J-31 has some issues).

a reply to: RadioRobert

I think the Chinese admiral's comment on the F-35 would be appropriate here.

Or may be Turkey will buy it?

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originally posted by: anzha
Or may be Turkey will buy it?

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Su-57 is a big plane. Very expensive to service. F-35 is much smaller and cheaper to service.

a reply to: AdamEarthHeiman

F-35 would be cheaper to operate than even the Su-35. Eventually they could get the cost per hour down for the Su-57 but it won't be near-future.

But the reputation for contractor support from Sukhoi, erstwhile MiG, and Saturn is less than stellar.

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Supposedly, that's the first non prototype Su-57.

originally posted by: anzha
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Supposedly, that's the first non prototype Su-57.

Did it get grounded yet?