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This Christians Perspective on UFOs

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posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 01:18 AM
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posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 01:25 AM
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posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 01:26 AM
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a reply to: Mystery_Lady

Excellent stuff there Mystery_Lady. Thanks, and you're welcome.

This is quite an interesting Bible study, that the universe is pyramid shaped www.youtube.com...

Which explains why we have the pyramids: it's fallen angels who know the shape of the universe, and are trying to replicate that shape by building the pyramids.

It also explains why there is pyramid (triangle) shaped UFO's, and circular UFOs. They are created by the same fallen creatures who know the shape of the universe, so try to replicate it, and that planets are circular, so try to represent them as well.

Yes, you're right about Satan being the prince of the air.

What's also interesting is that he is described as the the god of forces. I associate this with for instance electricity (“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Luke 10:18).

What else is the god of forces?

But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.” Daniel 11:38

What is this god of forces? Electricity? Gravity? Not long before he passed away, Stephen Hawking attempted to say that the universe was created by gravity (which is a force) - although the theory by Stephen Hawking is under dispute in scientific circles.

But for sure it is interesting. If we had some sort of 'advanced' communication with some sort of other being, many people would worship them - give them honour, and it would seem to make sense from a rational perspective. A god of forces (science) whom their father knew not (a new god/religion).

On speaking to a few scientists in real life, there seems to be a divide being religion and science. I don't see why they have to be divided. I think there's good science and bad science.

Anyway, just putting some stuff out there, in case you find it interesting. Here's a video by Pastor Gene Kim about Stephen Hawking and the 'god of forces' www.youtube.com...

There sure is a load of stuff about the nephilim. I think it's entirely possible that there were giants. It's also possible that some of these half human/half fallen angels somehow managed to survive the flood, like you say (Genesis 6:4 - www.kingjamesbibleonline.org... ). What's interesting to me (lots of it is, ha!), is that when we look at ancient history, civilization began to exist 6,000 years ago, but there's hardly any trace of it until 5,000 years ago. This ties in quite nicely with the date of the flood. If humans have really existed here for million(s) of years, why did it take until 6,000 years ago to develop civilization? And why is most of the trace of it gone until 5,000 years ago? There's too many unanswered questions and too many co-incidences.

What is really concerning to me, is that people could walk into this UFO stuff without knowing or being prepared for what to expect. For sure if I saw one close up, I'd claim the blood of Jesus, probably blow every single fuse and light bulb in the thing! XD

But the Bible has a lot more info on this sort of stuff than what people might realize.
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posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 02:02 AM
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originally posted by: Mystery_Lady
a reply to: Assemble


I agree aliens are demonic..

By the time Noah created the ark, most humans were corrupted with angel dna. Noah and his sons were not. God speared them, and the wives of Noajs sons. Years after the flood David killed Goliath who was a giant.


Well, take a look at todays humans to see what God thought worthy of sparing. So, with what are we coruppted today? Religion a part of that?

History is writen by the victors - which in this case would be the entity or entities responsible for the genocide of part angel humans, and the giants.

According to your mythology, at least.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 03:30 AM
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a reply to: Assemble

I can't help but think that Angel is the pot calling the kettle black.

They are all aliens. Some just want to play good.....sometimes.

Why do you think that 'God's didn't want the people of Moses seeing 'God's' 'Glory'. It was also a UFO. It's all their in the bible....over and over again. They are all just temperamental aliens playing games with humans.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 03:32 AM
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a reply to: LightAssassin

And aliens aren't demonic. Demons and Angels are just Aliens.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 04:14 AM
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originally posted by: Assemble

"Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll. And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits." (Zech. 5:1-2)


In the Old Testament, Zechariah is with an angel, and Zechariah sees a UFO.

He describes it as a 'flying roll'. A roll is of course, like a parchment, or for instance, a cigar shaped UFO.



What a relevant festive UFO thread
- certainly sounds a bit UFOish to me too and don't know if you've seen it but this programme also makes the connection.




Descriptions That Verify a Flying Guiding Vehicle


♦ The platform comes directly between the Hebrews and the pursuing Egyptian army. (Exodus 14:19)


♦ The platform harassed the Egyptian army. (Exodus 14:24)


♦ The "glory of the Lord appeared in the cloud" that leads the Hebrews. (Exodus 16:10)


♦ The lord ascended on Mount Sinai with great lights beaming into the night sky, shaking the mountain greatly and broadcasting very loud sounds with increasing volume. (Exodus 19:18 -20, 20:18)


♦ People were fearful of the vehicle. (Exodus 20:18)


♦ The platform/cloud descends and hovers. (Exodus 33:9, 34:5, Numbers 12:5)


♦ The platform/cloud ascends. (Exodus 40:36)


♦ God broadcasts his voice from the platform/cloud. (Exodus 33:9, 34:5, Psalms 99:7)


♦ The people follow the platform wherever it led them and was always with them. (Exodus 40:36-38, Numbers 9:17-18, 10:34, Nehemiah 9:19)


♦ The cloud provides shade and light. (Numbers 9:16)


♦ The platform/cloud hovers above the group for days, months and even up to a year. (Numbers 9: 22)


♦ The cloud takes off and lands. (Numbers 10:11-12)


♦ The vehicle protects the people. (Numbers 14:14)


♦ The platform/cloud scouts ahead for places that the Hebrews will rest. (Deuteronomy 1:33)



All those biblical accounts of stationary clouds, sky thrones, fiery chariots, flying rolls, pillars of light, platforms, vessels and fiery wheels in the sky do sound very intriguing - especially when the objects are described as exhibiting rapid, prolonged flight; hovering; ascending or descending.

Don't know if it's necessary to bring angels or demons into the equation though - they could just be folks from a different place or frequency of existence.
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posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 05:18 AM
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Well, Biblically, God describes Himself as the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last.

The problem with the alien hypothesis of the Bible, is that, we're still left with the same question. Who created the aliens? Then we're stuck in a circle.

I've heard a few things, along the Bible-alien hypothesis, but there's something quite different about God, angels and so forth compared to demons/aliens/UFOs, even in the descriptons.

For instance, I've not heard of reports about UFO occupants telling people that they shouldn't steal, or that they'll bear witness to them in Heaven, or how to go to Heaven. Only when there's bad stuff around do we get the smell of sulphur, and the smell of sulphur is quite common in UFO contacts. Weird stuff like cattle mutilations. Weird things like how electrics start playing up when people are close to UFOs. Nothing about it sounds helpful from what I can see.

If it just comes down to purely a 'technology' thing, then,

Around UFOs, weird things happen to people's electrics. With Angels, there's no report of electrical issues - remember, the Bible refers to Satan and lightning (electricity)
Sulphur - frequently reports of close encounters with aliens, of aircraft that have been destroyed, are associated with the smell of sulphur. This doesn't happen with God, angels. This suggests that UFO's technology is inferior/not as clean, compared to God/Angels.
Craft - When Angels, God want to ascend, or descend to and from Heaven, they simply go. They don't need pods, crafts etc to get around. Again, inferior technology.

So, if the Bible isn't true, where God states that He is the first and the last, that there's no other, and that UFOs are fallen angels/some sort of demonic hybrid experiment, then it purely comes down to a question of technology.

Who's got the best tech then? I know who's money mines would be on!

So yeah, an interesting Christmas thread, UFO's, aliens, the paranormal/supernatural, all rolled in.

Enjoy our Christmas turkey!!
I can't wait till lunch hah

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posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 09:19 AM
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Its a pov really about the whole angels and demons thing. Ironically though, UFO's or just a singular one could identify as being the big G himself, or an extension.

Not in the demanding way of having a giant golden statue being built an spit shined to appease an stroke their ego(and other parts), only to have it torn down because God self conscious...or a sense of humor.



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posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 11:27 AM
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:a reply to: Assemble

Thanks for posting....

These beings aren't coming from elsewhere. They are quarantined here with mankind. The reason there isn't disclosure is human's would figure out very quickly who they were and what they are up to. Fortunately, there are others who limit their control over us. There are rules of engagement...

Among their human collaborators are two classes: those few who understand more or less who they are dealing with and the rest who are under an almost infinite variety of delusions.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: UMayBRite!
:a reply to: Assemble

Thanks for posting....

These beings aren't coming from elsewhere. They are quarantined here with mankind. The reason there isn't disclosure is human's would figure out very quickly who they were and what they are up to. Fortunately, there are others who limit their control over us. There are rules of engagement...

Among their human collaborators are two classes: those few who understand more or less who they are dealing with and the rest who are under an almost infinite variety of delusions.


Please elaborate. Sounds very interesting



posted on Dec, 26 2018 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: UMayBRite!
:a reply to: Assemble

Thanks for posting....

These beings aren't coming from elsewhere. They are quarantined here with mankind. The reason there isn't disclosure is human's would figure out very quickly who they were and what they are up to. Fortunately, there are others who limit their control over us. There are rules of engagement...

Among their human collaborators are two classes: those few who understand more or less who they are dealing with and the rest who are under an almost infinite variety of delusions.
Yeah, please post more if you can.

It sounds like a variation of the 'aliens are coming from outer space to rescue us idea', which I think if they come, then run!



posted on Dec, 26 2018 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: Drachenfel

originally posted by: Mystery_Lady
a reply to: Assemble


I agree aliens are demonic..

By the time Noah created the ark, most humans were corrupted with angel dna. Noah and his sons were not. God speared them, and the wives of Noajs sons. Years after the flood David killed Goliath who was a giant.


Well, take a look at todays humans to see what God thought worthy of sparing. So, with what are we coruppted today? Religion a part of that?

History is writen by the victors - which in this case would be the entity or entities responsible for the genocide of part angel humans, and the giants.

According to your mythology, at least.


We are corrupted with idolatry. God has condemed idolatry through out the old and new testament. Jesus in the new testament made many metaphors about himself as the groom and the church as the bride. He stated that the only reason for divorce was adultry. God especially in the old testament always called idolators adulters when his people turned away from him and worshipped other Gods.

Here I recently read a thread where the person tried to claim God as RA and Jesus as Horus. I'm sorry not happening. Talk about bringing in pagan worship into Christianity. I thought the Catholic church was bad, this takes the cake. At least the person was honest about it instead of disgusing it.



posted on Dec, 26 2018 @ 12:48 PM
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You make a good point.

Jesus has been accused/questioned for 2,000 years. The latest (among many things) is this alien stuff.

What other 'god' has came and sacrificed Himself on the cross for us? Every other god is all about wanting stuff for themselves.

Alien abduction is creepy and weird, people are exploited. UFO's and their occupants don't care about people.

When has a UFO occupant told people not to steal, or had their best interests at heart?

I don't buy it at all.

Actually, seeing this whole thing through the lens of Christianity makes what to others to appear incredibly complex, to be actually instead, rather simple, for sure we do have a sound mind (2 Tim. 1:7).



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 08:14 AM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: Assemble

Finally I get my first chuckle of the day! Thank ya

So take that thought and flip it around and then it makes sense.

Why can’t christians ever agree on what is going on?


Why do you think that's the preserve of any group of people with or without faith, or are you just treating this as an excuse to say something derogatory about Christians?

Personally, I don't believe the majority of 'vision' type elements of the Bible were ever meant to be taken literally anymore than the X Files and fairly much anything of that genre should be taken as some kind of proof in the existence of ET life visiting the earth - but for an awful lot of people that's seen as disclosure of some sort. Wanting to believe shows faith, but nothing more.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 08:34 AM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: Assemble

Finally I get my first chuckle of the day! Thank ya

So take that thought and flip it around and then it makes sense.

Why can’t christians ever agree on what is going on?


Why do you think that's the preserve of any group of people with or without faith, or are you just treating this as an excuse to say something derogatory about Christians?

Personally, I don't believe the majority of 'vision' type elements of the Bible were ever meant to be taken literally anymore than the X Files and fairly much anything of that genre should be taken as some kind of proof in the existence of ET life visiting the earth - but for an awful lot of people that's seen as disclosure of some sort. Wanting to believe shows faith, but nothing more.
i don’t know what you mean by preserve, i think you used the wrong word there.

It’s an honest question. Why don’t christians have any consensus on what it means to be a christian or even what their god is? It seems like a glaring problem with belief in something that is far to subjective to have such solid beliefs.

Would think even they would notice and try to figure this thing out, but there is no way to come to any meaningful conclusion. That is what i don’t understand. How does that escape people? That there is no meaningful conclusion, and that leads to an infinite multitude of various christian sects, each claiming they are closer to the truth.


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posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 09:32 AM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: Assemble

Finally I get my first chuckle of the day! Thank ya

So take that thought and flip it around and then it makes sense.

Why can’t christians ever agree on what is going on?


Why do you think that's the preserve of any group of people with or without faith, or are you just treating this as an excuse to say something derogatory about Christians?

Personally, I don't believe the majority of 'vision' type elements of the Bible were ever meant to be taken literally anymore than the X Files and fairly much anything of that genre should be taken as some kind of proof in the existence of ET life visiting the earth - but for an awful lot of people that's seen as disclosure of some sort. Wanting to believe shows faith, but nothing more.
i don’t know what you mean by preserve, i think you used the wrong word there.

It’s an honest question. Why don’t christians have any consensus on what it means to be a christian or even what their god is? It seems like a glaring problem with belief in something that is far to subjective to have such solid beliefs.

Would think even they would notice and try to figure this thing out, but there is no way to come to any meaningful conclusion. That is what i don’t understand. How does that escape people? That there is no meaningful conclusion, and that leads to an infinite multitude of various christian sects, each claiming they are closer to the truth.



I used the right word, thanks for that though, although when you say "something that is far to subjective", you actually meant "too subjective", but why split hairs?

My comment was quite straightforward, put a group of people together who think they have the same opinion and if you dig deep enough there will actually be quite a difference of opinion. Ask a group of people who consider themselves at least moderately IT literate what cloud computing means and you will ultimately get different opinions. Ask people in the UK at the moment what Brexit means - different opinions. Nothing faith related, just people have their own ideas.

Ultimately the term Christian means following the teachings of the person known as Christ in the Christian new testament - peace and tolerance. Anything deeper than that is the interpretation given by either a faction of the overall movement or an individual. It's similar to the way that some followers of Islam believe in tolerance and embracing of others, some are more isolationist. It's similar to how some of faith or no faith feel compassion for strangers and need, others choose to shun them and consider themselves and only themselves. It's human nature to hold an opinion, it's certainly not limited to those who profess themselves to be Christian however much you would like it to be.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: Woodcarver

The definition of Christian is quite clear.

It is one who accepts their guilt as a sinner before the eyes of a Holy God, and with a repentant (feels sorry) heart, believes on Jesus's sacrifice on the cross, who is God, to pay for their sins, and His bodily resurrection.

Now, you might, well you do get disagreements on how to live as a Christian, in terms of particular doctrine, but to be a Christian, is simply accepting the Gospel.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: Assemble

Finally I get my first chuckle of the day! Thank ya

So take that thought and flip it around and then it makes sense.

Why can’t christians ever agree on what is going on?


Why do you think that's the preserve of any group of people with or without faith, or are you just treating this as an excuse to say something derogatory about Christians?

Personally, I don't believe the majority of 'vision' type elements of the Bible were ever meant to be taken literally anymore than the X Files and fairly much anything of that genre should be taken as some kind of proof in the existence of ET life visiting the earth - but for an awful lot of people that's seen as disclosure of some sort. Wanting to believe shows faith, but nothing more.
i don’t know what you mean by preserve, i think you used the wrong word there.

It’s an honest question. Why don’t christians have any consensus on what it means to be a christian or even what their god is? It seems like a glaring problem with belief in something that is far to subjective to have such solid beliefs.

Would think even they would notice and try to figure this thing out, but there is no way to come to any meaningful conclusion. That is what i don’t understand. How does that escape people? That there is no meaningful conclusion, and that leads to an infinite multitude of various christian sects, each claiming they are closer to the truth.



I used the right word, thanks for that though, although when you say "something that is far to subjective", you actually meant "too subjective", but why split hairs?

My comment was quite straightforward, put a group of people together who think they have the same opinion and if you dig deep enough there will actually be quite a difference of opinion. Ask a group of people who consider themselves at least moderately IT literate what cloud computing means and you will ultimately get different opinions. Ask people in the UK at the moment what Brexit means - different opinions. Nothing faith related, just people have their own ideas.

Ultimately the term Christian means following the teachings of the person known as Christ in the Christian new testament - peace and tolerance. Anything deeper than that is the interpretation given by either a faction of the overall movement or an individual. It's similar to the way that some followers of Islam believe in tolerance and embracing of others, some are more isolationist. It's similar to how some of faith or no faith feel compassion for strangers and need, others choose to shun them and consider themselves and only themselves. It's human nature to hold an opinion, it's certainly not limited to those who profess themselves to be Christian however much you would like it to be.


Well, i apologize if i don’t understand the use of that word in that context. I did not intend any slight, i simply thought your computer autocorrected incorrectly. I did notice that you did not miss the chance to bite me on my own typo. I did not intend anything as petty as that.

Although “people” might come to different descriptions of what cloud computing is, the fact prevails that cloud computing is something very definate. It’s description can come from an actual observation of the code and all the hardware involved. If my description of cloud computing is different from someone else’s, we could refer to actual things and come to a consensus.

With mythos, this is not only impossible, it is important to people because it is impossible. Nobody can be proven wrong. Some groups of people agree that personal subjective fantasy outweighs empirical study.

That seems like a bad idea if you want to come to any agreement of what truth is. Everyones fantasy cannot be true at the same time. That seems obvious enough that i can’t think you would disagree.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: Assemble
a reply to: Woodcarver

The definition of Christian is quite clear.

It is one who accepts their guilt as a sinner before the eyes of a Holy God, and with a repentant (feels sorry) heart, believes on Jesus's sacrifice on the cross, who is God, to pay for their sins, and His bodily resurrection.

Now, you might, well you do get disagreements on how to live as a Christian, in terms of particular doctrine, but to be a Christian, is simply accepting the Gospel.
Do you have to accept all of the gospels? Even the stuff that contradicts itself? What about the rest of the new testament? What about the Old Testament? Are the ten commandments still valid?




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