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Why the US Stock Market is Suffering a Very Bad December

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posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 07:11 AM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6



The stock market is like hang gliding. First rule of hang gliding: never fly higher than you are willing to fall.




posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 07:44 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

No it's not. Are you seriously suggesting that raising rates from 2.25% to 2.5% is a justification for a 15% selloff in two months? LOL. Please.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 07:45 PM
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a reply to: LordAhriman

Goodness, so much ignorance. Companies buying their own stocks doesn't inflate the market... SMDH.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

The return on gold (YoY) is also negative. Silver is far worse than the market (YoY). Bonds have done decent (up about 7% YoY).

Seems like you're breaking even and laughing about it?
edit on 25-12-2018 by Dfairlite because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 07:59 PM
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I just find it ironic that all market gains are because... Trump. All market losses are something else.

Blinders.. something I wish I had invested in when Trump was elected.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 08:03 PM
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a reply to: fleabit

It's really quite simple, republican ideas (deregulation, tax cuts, etc) grow an economy. Democratic ideas (over-regulation, increased taxation, etc) stunt the growth of economies. It has little to do with trump, personally, and much more to do with his actions.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 08:11 PM
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Im going for the cryptocurrency side of things. Especially XRP / Ripple for the liquidity and fast bank international transfers. Skipping on the silver and gold this round.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Meh, it will recover-even this village knows folk will buy low and sell high, the smart investors will see when their portfolios have plateaued and sell and others will follow, then others will pick up the scraps and others will follow. The stock market is like a sine wave.

Of course if the stocks rise Trump will take the credit as every prez has done before him.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 08:29 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: DBCowboy

The return on gold (YoY) is also negative. Silver is far worse than the market (YoY). Bonds have done decent (up about 7% YoY).

Seems like you're breaking even and laughing about it?


Not playing the short game and gold is still up from when I bought it.

So yeah.

Lol



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: fleabit

It's really quite simple, republican ideas (deregulation, tax cuts, etc) grow an economy. Democratic ideas (over-regulation, increased taxation, etc) stunt the growth of economies. It has little to do with trump, personally, and much more to do with his actions.


Ok, well, you keep smoking whatever you are smoking, if you honestly think all gains were based on Trump's presidency, and all losses are due to someone else. I can guarantee that some gains were due to Trump, but obviously not all. Just as I can guarantee losses are due to both as well. His sheep can't admit that though. ALL gains are Trump. ALL losses are something else.

Blinders.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

If you're not playing the short game you're losing even bigger with that gold investment.

5 year return-
Stock market: 28.1%
Gold: -8.1%

10 year return-
Stock market: 170.4%
Gold: 15%

15 year return-
Stock market: 113.7%
Gold: 115.9%

20 year return
Stock market: 91.0%
Gold: 167.4%

40 year return:
Stock market: 135.0%
Gold: 55.2%

Remember this is after a 20% selloff over the last few months too. The only reason for the 20 year discrepancy is measuring from the dotcom bubble to a current trough.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 10:30 PM
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Trump is as far left as JFK was on the historical political spectrum. He's considered far right today. He's actually a centrist when looking at U.S. politics historically. The difference being is that the media respected JFK back in the day far more than they respect DJT today. JFK was known for his sexual escapades just like Trump.

Republican career politicians are to the left of Trump, as evident by their unrestricted spending & government expansion. Leftist politicians, especially the Democrat Socialists are left of Stalin. They are no longer liberals because they do not believe in liberty.

All facist communist/socialist governments start out with centralized planning & centralized banking systems based on fiat currency. We can see this throughout history with countries like Nazi (National Socialist) Germany & today in Venezuela. We've been under fascist socialism in the U.S. since 1913, when the Federal Reserve Bank was established. The FRB even helped fund the formation of Nazi Germany.

Imo, what we need to do is reestablish our constitutional republic, which we haven't had since 1913. We need Congress to start regulating the weights and measures of money (Gold & Silver) again in accordance with the constitution. We need to reinstate due-process, free speech & voluntary taxes. We need to eliminate the alphabet agencies which presume one's guilt before finding a crime.

Communism/Socialism rewards bad behavior. We can see this with the socialist government bailouts of the banking industry & automobile manufacturers. Banks are bigger today & have far more debt. The automobile manufacturers are producing worse cars then they did before they were bailed out. Meanwhile, responsible companies are being punished by losing sales to irresponsible companies, which were rewarded for behaving irresponsibly. People on the left blame capitalism but we have not had true capitalism since before the FRB. We've had socialism.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 10:34 PM
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a reply to: fleabit

Of course there were other factors (oops, there goes your blinders narrative). No one has said all gains were trump nor that all losses were not trump (except you, in your straw man battle). The trade wars have had a negative effect, luckily (not really luck, strategy) that has been offset by the strong local economy in the US.

The fundamentals of that economy haven't changed. Unemployment is still extremely low. I've never seen store shelves as bare during christmas as I did this year, so I would be willing to bet we will see a strong earnings season coming up as well. Wages are growing. Inflation is healthy. Interest rates are still very low (but the speed that the fed is moving with increases may have some dampening effect on markets). Home starts were up 3.2% in november over october staying near the highest levels we've seen since the recession.

ETA:
Yep, looks like the holiday season was epic (as I expected). Mastercard posted a 5.1% increase YoY and the best results for this time of year since 2012. Here's a link.

ETA2: It'll be interesting to see growth numbers from other parts of the world. I'm guessing they're going to be kind of bad. See, the US has benefited from all of the fundamentals I listed while other parts of the world have been experiencing a slowdown (because they don't want to bow down to the US). We have had a lot of extra money (see wage growth and tax cuts) while they've seen stagnation. Should be interesting. It will also give trump more leverage in the trade wars.
edit on 25-12-2018 by Dfairlite because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 26 2018 @ 11:29 AM
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Anybody else here thinking they should have got out of the market before the mid-terms ?

What happens if Trump loses in in 2020 ?



posted on Dec, 26 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

The "Market" is just another way to control the way the sheeple invest, live, eat, do, etc.

People are going along with the narrative the establishment is feeding us without even realize what the Market is, what it does for us and if we really need it.



posted on Dec, 26 2018 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6
Wrong Wrong Wrong!!!! You have a serious case of TDS. It is the Fed and the Deep state causing this. Yes they hate President Trump because he is not following their CFR, Tavistock, Bildeberg, globalist agenda. He is screwing up their wet dreams. HAHAHAHA. Yes and it was the President who said do not raise rates now during this economic upswing and they did any way. Who to blame? THE FEDERAL RESERVE VIPERS AND THIEVES.



posted on Dec, 26 2018 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: Ansuzrune

Huh? I have TDS? Seriously? You're not familiar with my body of work, I see...



posted on Dec, 26 2018 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: Ansuzrune

I think this is a more accurate answer. There are many moving parts when it comes to the stock market. It is a little strange that we have lowered corporate tax rates and unemployment, yet the market is having some very strong swings in the wrong direction. There are different forces at play here rather than one man and his policies (that tend to have a beneficial effect on an economy). We have tied many currencies and many markets together globally. Trump represents an unprecedented shift in how they operate globally and I dont think they like it. This is part of the plan to get rid of Trump since Russian collusion isn't working, another costly war in Syria isn't going to happen, and global trade agreements are being abruptly re-written. Look for the elites to affect his popularity by manipulating our markets.



posted on Dec, 26 2018 @ 03:09 PM
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the December contraction of the stock market is not teetering on if the House or Senate goes Democrat...

the big factor is Fed rising rates too fast & killing the boom...


Although the Fed insistence on pushing higher rates will eventually attract foreign monies to flow into USA paper that gives a cash positive increase of interest growing money to the holders of that paper --> unlike the EU Banks and ECB which will continue to issue Negative-Interest Paper all through year 2019-to-2020


if I were a well off guy in a G-20 country I would be judiciously buying USA Paper/bonds/treasuries that return 2-3% versus the rest-of-the-world which has mostly ZIRP & Negative Interest Paper/bonds/treasuries to offer the better off people with small piles of money to invest



posted on Dec, 26 2018 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: toysforadults

No it's not. Are you seriously suggesting that raising rates from 2.25% to 2.5% is a justification for a 15% selloff in two months? LOL. Please.


You dont know how these markets work if you dont understand the Feds impact on the markets

Its not about what I think its about fundamentals







 
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