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(New) Muslims in Europe Becoming More Radicalized.

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posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 07:30 PM
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(Since the original thread was closed, I am re-posting it here.)

This is a topic which most western "mainstream media" will not touch, and will in fact ignore.
We have heard the claims that "radicals are just a minority," but I am getting tired of ignoring articles which show the extremism that is occurring around the world when it concerns Islam. I have ignored posting articles which show radical Muslims kidnapping women, and children to become their slave/wives. I have ignored posting articles about the people, including Muslim moderates, who keep being executed by radical Muslims. I have ignored posting articles showing how Muslim radicals keep day by day attacking schools full of children who are Christian in Africa, or elsewhere in the world. I am guessing many of you have done the same. But what we keep seeing is the opposite of what we are being told. It isn't anymore a "minority" becoming radicalized and committing heinous acts.

The main article I am presenting is in Italian, and was posted on the "Il Giornale" newspaper which is published in Milan. Google translate, or some other translator has to be used if you can't read Italian.

I am posting the translation as "google translate" shows it.



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But the real problem for contemporary Islam is the almost total disappearance of the secular world. Religion is expanded, and this is typical of Islam, but the moderates are lacking, those with whom we could start a dialogue, especially to stem the most extreme fringes, such as the Muslim Brotherhood. The same professor confirms: "There is a bit of disaffection, but there is no mass abandonment of the faith, the phenomenon affects at most 10, 15% .The practice falls, the consumption of halal meat: but the affirmation of religious identity exceeds 80% Of course this identity Islam needs a new religious socialization as a response to terrorism, but rather finds it in the return to pious, devout, less political and more orthodox religion. Friday in the mosque there are more young ". Which, of course, involves various problems as young people often tend to radicalize themselves, especially if they live in conditions of extreme discomfort. Many casseurs, teppistelli, of Arab origin living in France, for example, in these years have reached the black flags of the Islamic State to fight the jihad.

And the radical elements are advancing, also because they are concerned with welfare: "Pietist Salafism, more than the Muslim Brotherhood, is investing in the socialization of children and women.There are many new didactic books with modern graphics that promote a soft Salafism, a doctrinal approach that has not fallen from the top but centered on the needs from below: it is a conservative Islam but with a new paradigm from which, in theory, the discussion on the indisputable could open up ". The solos are however a double-edged sword. While on the one hand they can be used to provide knowledge and culture, on the other hand they can be used to brainwash young people.

Which, for Dassetto, opens another problem. Yet another. Integration: "I have the impression that despite the many appeals followed by the 2015, 2016 and 2017 attacks, the bridges have taken a little hold in Europe, studies say that even the third and fourth generation youngsters, the children of parents born here, they maintain a certain hesitation about their belonging ".

All of this, dropped in the international context, becomes even more complex: "America has an Islamic policy, like it or not: it works to promote an Islam in which it is interested, an alternative to the Muslim Brotherhood and to the Salafis. despite its geographical position, it does not have a strategy that encourages a less conservative Islam.There is something moving among young Muslims but they are isolated, they rely on the web and "I like" in the absence of social force, they do not have leaders. there will happen something, among young men and especially among women, there is much expectation ". The United States, as noted, are moving on a double track regarding the Islamic world. It opposes Shiite Islam, that, to understand us, linked to Iran, and favors that Sunni, sponsored by Saudi Arabia and the Gulf countries.
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Islam therefore finds itself at a crossroads. Or it increases the secular push or that tied to extremist fringes. And this change is watching us very closely. As witnessed by the riots in the suburbs and the attacks of recent years.

www.ilgiornale.it...

Used "Google Translate."

Another article posted in the German newspaper "Die Welt" which quotes French Professor emeritus of the University of Louvain, Felice Dassetto, explains that more Muslims in Europe are becoming radicalized, and that the number of secular Muslims is in a steep decline. He also warns that it seems that there is a war within the two sections of Islam, and that radicals are winning and could provoke a civil war in Europe.



"Situation in Europe should develop into civil war"

The third generation of European jihadists hopes for a radicalization of Muslims and wants to build a caliphate on Europe's ruins. What the French Islamic scholar Gilles Kepel advises.

Terrorism in Europe is, in the words of French Islamic scholar Gilles Kepel, not primarily an expression of a war between the West and Islam. "Terrorism is above all an expression of a war within Islam," he said on Deutschlandfunk.

The third generation of European jihadists wanted to spread a climate of terror in the European states, which should generate hostile reactions against all Muslims, he added. The Muslims should be radicalized in this way. "The situation should develop into a civil war."
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www.welt.de...

What's more, we keep seeing more and more radical Muslim committing the worse heinous crimes. One of the latest being the two young women, one Danish and the other a Norwegian who were kidnapped and executed by beheading at the foot of Mount Toubkad, in North Africa.

The following article does not contain the video of the beheading.

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The jihadists went as far as filming one of the executions. As I was searching more information on this crime it lead me to a website that had more info, but without my knowledge also had the video of the beheading and it was playing as i was reading. The screams from one of the victims torn my soul as she was being beheaded.

These are the sort of people we want to stop from "migrating" into western nations. But the left around the world keep calling us "nazis," and worse for not wanting these sort of beasts in our nations.

Are people going to wake up, or will we see the western world turned asunder from the idiocy of those who want to turn a blind eye to the truth?


edit on 23-12-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: correct excerpt.




posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 08:33 PM
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I participated in that last thread that got shut down and I don't see this one staying up either.

There were a lot of nasty, intolerant and bigoted posts that made that old thread, I expect to see the same happen on this one.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Just think of it as having another chosen people to help you run your life.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
I participated in that last thread that got shut down and I don't see this one staying up either.

There were a lot of nasty, intolerant and bigoted posts that made that old thread, I expect to see the same happen on this one.


If this one is also closed, meanwhile other threads with a slant towards the left, and which are bigoted and intolerant, or make bigoted and intolerant claims towards anything to do that is not "left-wing," then it will just be proof of bias.

This is not a call to violence, or to incite violence against Muslims.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 10:16 PM
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Opposing Islam is not bigoted.
Opposing nazism is not bigoted.
Opposing the KKK is not bigoted.

All three are hateful, intolerant, supremacist ideologies. That’s a fact. One of them is also a rape-culture.

Defending any one of those three hate-cultures should be outlawed.

Have you ever heard the one about the Nazi SS officer who stoned his own daughter to death for kissing a Jew?

Neither have I.

Because one of those hateful ideologies is worse than the others.

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posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 11:57 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
I participated in that last thread that got shut down and I don't see this one staying up either.

There were a lot of nasty, intolerant and bigoted posts that made that old thread, I expect to see the same happen on this one.


If this one is also closed, meanwhile other threads with a slant towards the left, and which are bigoted and intolerant, or make bigoted and intolerant claims towards anything to do that is not "left-wing," then it will just be proof of bias.

This is not a call to violence, or to incite violence against Muslims.


I agree and was going to add that to my last post, however, as much as I may personally align with any of the comments on that last thread, it is undeniable that a lot of people got out of line on it. I can't see this one doing any better, eventhough I had tried to contribute reasonable content on my posts over at the old thread, it got shut down anyway.

If this one can be kept civilized, it might stay up a little longer than the old one.



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 04:25 AM
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They are becoming radicalised because...

1. So many came over in one go, that they are forming their own communities. These prevent integration and breed group-think and victimhood.
2. The streets are not paved with gold. The immigrants were sold a lie. They did not get a job, a car, a posh house and a sweet blond woman to do constant porn with them. They got high-rise flats, charity and basic welfare, and were told to learn the language. Learning the language was not part of the deal, was it?



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 06:10 AM
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a reply to: Breakthestreak

Did the KKK represent all white Christian males?
Just because it was made up Christian men that doesn’t mean all those Christians are bad people. The same goes for Muslims, I know many good and peaceful muslims who hate the Muslim brotherhood and the fanatics just as much as the rest of us.



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 06:22 AM
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originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: Breakthestreak

Did the KKK represent all white Christian males?
Just because it was made up Christian men that doesn’t mean all those Christians are bad people. The same goes for Muslims, I know many good and peaceful muslims who hate the Muslim brotherhood and the fanatics just as much as the rest of us.





Read the OP instead of just responding back......its a study not an accusation bud.......



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 06:31 AM
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If you ever get the chance, read this book.



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 06:48 AM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I did read the OP but I was replying to another poster. I do actually agree with the points raised in the OP but I think since the mess in Syria happened there has actually been a reversal in this trend barring a relative few nut jobs many have realised the Muslim brotherhood and the like are just a tool of the elite, they have become aware of the bigger picture and are rejecting radical ideologies.

A bit like the troubles in Northern Ireland the majority are just caught up in the machinations of a few who would like to see perpetual conflict for their own ends.



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 06:54 AM
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originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
I participated in that last thread that got shut down and I don't see this one staying up either.

There were a lot of nasty, intolerant and bigoted posts that made that old thread, I expect to see the same happen on this one.


Calling out Islam for what it is is none of those things. Absolutely 100% diametrically opposed o everything that western society stands for.

We wouldnt import millions of Nazis based on the idea that "well not all of them are bad" so why do it with an ideology that is just as horrible?



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi
They are becoming radicalised because...

1. So many came over in one go, that they are forming their own communities. These prevent integration and breed group-think and victimhood.
2. The streets are not paved with gold. The immigrants were sold a lie. They did not get a job, a car, a posh house and a sweet blond woman to do constant porn with them. They got high-rise flats, charity and basic welfare, and were told to learn the language. Learning the language was not part of the deal, was it?


It's a lie thaf they are "becoming" radicalized. They are getting to the tipping point where they can actually be who they are and voice what Islam is really about.

It's a story as old as Islam and its played out many, many times.

As Muslim numbers grow they expose themselves for the fanatics that they are.



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 07:00 AM
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originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: Breakthestreak

Did the KKK represent all white Christian males?
Just because it was made up Christian men that doesn’t mean all those Christians are bad people. The same goes for Muslims, I know many good and peaceful muslims who hate the Muslim brotherhood and the fanatics just as much as the rest of us.





No you don't. You know Muslims that TELL you that.

Plus your dumb comment is dumb.

"I know many members of the Nazi Party that only joined because they grew up with it but they hate the Nazis as much as anyone".

That's your mentality on Islam but with Nazis.

Would you let 10 million Nazis into your country based on that sort of idiocy? No you would not.

Is it because most Muslims are brown? Is it a way of virtue signaling?



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 07:53 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I guess we'll find out in the years ahead if this is true or not.

There has been attacks and attempted attacks over recent years but unless there's been more than is being reported, the attacks seem to be becoming less or it may be that some groups or individuals are awaiting instructions...

Let's hope the radicals are a dying breed, we don't want another ~Manchester event to occur.



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 08:56 AM
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It's all of the abrahamic faiths that are at fault, I don't differentiate between any of them anymore.



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 09:13 AM
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originally posted by: Carcharadon

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: Breakthestreak

Did the KKK represent all white Christian males?
Just because it was made up Christian men that doesn’t mean all those Christians are bad people. The same goes for Muslims, I know many good and peaceful muslims who hate the Muslim brotherhood and the fanatics just as much as the rest of us.





No you don't. You know Muslims that TELL you that.

Plus your dumb comment is dumb.

"I know many members of the Nazi Party that only joined because they grew up with it but they hate the Nazis as much as anyone".

That's your mentality on Islam but with Nazis.

Would you let 10 million Nazis into your country based on that sort of idiocy? No you would not.

Is it because most Muslims are brown? Is it a way of virtue signaling?


First off you don’t know anything about me, I happen to live in a community with many Muslims and I’ve had very mixed feelings towards them over the years. Saying I don’t know them when I have grown up with them, worked alongside them and been in many an argument and even fights with them and also have made Muslim friends, is actually just showing you ignorance. At the end of the day they are just regular people.

You’re making the mistake of thinking radical versions of Islam such as Wahhabism represent all of Islam, or the actions of a relatively few extremists represent all Muslims. If that were the case we would be in all out war already.

Do you think all the Germans who joined the nazi party were evil? If not then ask yourself why did they join? It was the nazi ideology that was evil but it was presented to the Germans as patriotic, noble, righteous and anyone who spoke out against it was promptly silenced. It’s ideology and beliefs that can be dangerous so at least educate yourself and go after the Muslim brotherhood or Wahhabism rather than stupidly tarring all Muslims with the same brush.


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posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: surfer_soul

originally posted by: Carcharadon

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: Breakthestreak

Did the KKK represent all white Christian males?
Just because it was made up Christian men that doesn’t mean all those Christians are bad people. The same goes for Muslims, I know many good and peaceful muslims who hate the Muslim brotherhood and the fanatics just as much as the rest of us.





No you don't. You know Muslims that TELL you that.

Plus your dumb comment is dumb.

"I know many members of the Nazi Party that only joined because they grew up with it but they hate the Nazis as much as anyone".

That's your mentality on Islam but with Nazis.

Would you let 10 million Nazis into your country based on that sort of idiocy? No you would not.

Is it because most Muslims are brown? Is it a way of virtue signaling?


First off you don’t know anything about me, I happen to live in a community with many Muslims and I’ve had very mixed feelings towards them over the years. Saying I don’t know them when I have grown up with them, worked alongside them and been in many an argument and even fights with them and also have made Muslim friends, is actually just showing you ignorance. At the end of the day they are just regular people.

You’re making the mistake of thinking radical versions of Islam such as Wahhabism represent all of Islam, or the actions of a relatively few extremists represent all Muslims. If that were the case we would be in all out war already.

Do you think all the Germans who joined the nazi party were evil? If not then ask yourself why did they join? It was the nazi ideology that was evil but it was presented to the Germans as patriotic, noble, righteous and anyone who spoke out against it was promptly silenced. It’s ideology and beliefs that can be dangerous so at least educate yourself and go after the Muslim brotherhood or Wahhabism rather than stupidly tarring all Muslims with the same brush.



This is a distinction that is all too often overlooked.
Well said
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posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Leftist snowflakes hate threads like these.

I think Trump is right. We defeated ISIS in Syria. How is this possible? Because their new HQ is in Germany. Now AM will have blood on her hands. Screening and vetting into any country shouldn't take an overnight to do to ensure the safety of our people.
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posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
The screams from one of the victims torn my soul as she was being beheaded.


Big reason why I have never watched a beheading video. All I want to do when I hear of something like this is to pray for those souls who had their physical life on Earth cold-heartedly taken away from them.




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