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End This Govt Shutdown with Medicare-4-All and Complete Wall Funding.

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posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 10:18 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: carewemust
Fiscally, that's a very, very bad trade. Medicare is underwater as it is.


If Medicare is "under water", it's because people are NOT telling their Congressmen to make Medicare a priority in the national budget.

You have a very strange perspective on what health care costs and why when it comes to medicare.

Thank-you. It pays to think outside the box. It's too bad our elected leaders are unable to do so.




posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 10:35 PM
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I understand who and why you're suggesting this to help and it's laudable, however my post with link and the text provided from Marketicker clearly demonstrate what you propose just will not work fiscally - my link even had data that said we cannot tax our way out of the problem - just not doable based on math.

Maybe look into "pool" insurance type setup used in many state's to cover uncoverable people for auto products who necessarily do have to pay more for the product but is financially backed by the state.

Trying to use a system federally that will implode by 2024 (and economy with it) is not even viable especially in light of the fact that no reasonable amount of raised taxation will even cure the programs as they exist.

That leaves the oft ignored and politically protected cost issue.

Maybe that is what people ought to be telling their congress critters what they want - "apply the laws and make medical affordable again" go much further on MAGA than bankrupting the system don't cha think?

Paraphrasing here, I not only think outside the box - I burned the box because it was rotten to the core. Time for a new box!


edit on 23-12-2018 by Phoenix because: add comment



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: carewemust
Fiscally, that's a very, very bad trade. Medicare is underwater as it is.


If Medicare is "under water", it's because people are NOT telling their Congressmen to make Medicare a priority in the national budget.

You have a very strange perspective on what health care costs and why when it comes to medicare.

Thank-you. It pays to think outside the box. It's too bad our elected leaders are unable to do so.


It wasn't exactly a compliment in this case.

Look at it like this. Part of the reason why our current health care financing is so screwed up is because of Medicare as it is.

Let's say that a health care costs at base $20, and that just for the base service to cover materials and overhead like facility costs (electricity, etc.). I'm not talking about paying the doctor or anything like that.

The government is an insurance provider in the case of Medicare, and what it does to make Medicare cheap is say, "That costs $20? We will only pay $16." Unlike with a private insurance, there is no bargaining because the government can simply mandate -- take it or leave. None of this will reduce the real cost of the service. Those things I cited cost what they actually cost in the real world economy. Just because the government mandates a lower cost for service will not change this.

Now because the government is intentionally undercutting the real cost, that remaining amount has to be shifted somewhere else, like onto the rest of us who pay for that service. So our $20 is now $24, or it might be spread out across multiple customers -- 4 paying $21 or 8 paying $20.50. Or another mechanism doctors and hospitals might try is to artificially increase the cost of the service to try to compensate for the perceived cut services like Medicare will make, so now the base cost for all of us is $24, no matter what.

Because of practices like this one by both government insurance mechanisms like Medicaid and Medicare, and yes, private insurers too, there an arms race in pricing. There is no simple fee for service anymore, and no one knows what anything actually does or should cost.

But lets compound our issues by putting more eggs in perrennial undercutter Medicare's basket! I'm sure that will fix everything and add absolutely no price inflationary pressure at all!

edit on 24-12-2018 by ketsuko because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 08:00 PM
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*sigh*

I can't believe you would post such an absurd thing. The money we could have used for M4A was spent giving such programs to Europeans (via our subsidizing their government functions, providing military might for them). It's gone. Tis nothing but a dream (which would have ended just as badly as we will see the current budget situation end). Socialist programs DO NOT WORK. GOVERNMENT IS FAR LESS EFFICIENT THAN A FREE (or semi-free) MARKET.




 
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