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End This Govt Shutdown with Medicare-4-All and Complete Wall Funding.

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posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 04:44 PM
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When doctors have to to waste their time fighting with multiple insurance companies to get proper care for their patients who make decisions about what should be done based only on short term outcomes why would anyone want to do this? Sorry for that long sentence. A doctor goes to school to learn how to practice medicine then the insurance companies and government agencies tell the doctor what to do.
OBs who have a higher than average number of complications because they specialize in high risk pregnancies because ,oh yeah, they specialize in high risk so there are more complications. Now the doctor is in trouble because of the higher number! C-sections because labor is longer than average even though there are no complications because the numbers say that the average length is so many hours so need to get that baby out.
Remember teeth are part of our bodies. Infected teeth cause many other health problems but can't cover dental care for some reason.
A third of our medical costs are administrative/insurance. Not counting the time doing paperwork that occupy our doctors and nurses when they should be treating/caring for patients.
Short staffing hospitals so nurses have to take double shifts or work when they are sick and contagious.
Insurance companies, drug companies and for profit hospitals make huge amounts of money while the people who do the actual patient care are over worked and underpaid.




posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 06:30 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

Look at it this way. we have these everytime there is a federal holiday. the world still spins around. S checks still go out. the mail runs,and the army is open. Screw em.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

You don't care about all those poor DACA babies anymore? I thought they were supposed to be our future doctors.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 08:10 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

Great Idea , so Who the Hell is Paying for All that ? Oh wait , don't Tell Me ...........The Po Taxpayers .........(



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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The 5 Billion wall budget request = less than 1/2 of the cost of one aircraft carrier and amounts to a red herring when taking into account fedzilla expenditures. It is but a pittance compared to entire bloat we call federal expenditures in the trillions each year.

CWM, your suggestion to implement defacto national insurance via government will definitely make sure its bankrupt beyond doubt right along with working Americans who'd have to pay for such.

If you read point two below it correctly identifies the true issue which is COST not insurance.

Imagine if existing laws were applied and costs were 4% GDP, why gee I might never need insurance for any routine procedures, appointments, drugs, dentistry or even comparatively routine surgeries such as knee replacement etc.....

Those of us old enough know "catastrophic" policies covering major medical events were by far the most affordable of all insurance before ACA, lobbyists and politicians screwed the pooch and self served themselves rather than do right thing and apply existing law to reduce costs - they want power and control and are loath to really help aren't they.

Sure a lot of execs, leeches and insurance types be looking for jobs but at least they'd be productive jobs adding much more to GDP rather than giant sucking black hole it is now.

Build the wall, save 10 billion plus of costs illegal aliens cause - apply laws to medical industry that were applied to robber barons in early 1900's save the nation.



The Medicare tax rate is 2.9%, (1.45% each for employer and employee), or less than one quarter of that for Social Security. Yet last fiscal year Social Security spent $1.03 trillion while Medicare and Medicaid spent $1.46 trillion with approximately $1.15 trillion being Medicare. In other words Medicare assesses taxes at less than 1/4 the rate of Social Security yet pays out more money.

Medical spending as a percentage of the national economy has increased by a factor of five since Medicare was put into place. Medical spending was approximately 4% of GDP in the 1960s; at 4% of GDP Medicare was sustainable indefinitely as its tax receipt projections were approximately correct in covering expected expenditures. Medical spending is almost 20% of GDP today, or five times as high in percentage terms. Yet the Medicare tax rate has not advanced at all. It would have to be five times what it is today, and advance at the rate of medical spending generally indefinitely into the future, to be solvent.

If is not possible to "catch up" now even if you immediately made the Medicare tax 15%, which would be higher than Social Security, because those who are retired now didn't pay the higher rate and the bonds were not bought with their funds. As such it is flatly impossible to fix this on a prospective basis through higher taxes. IT CANNOT BE DONE BECAUSE TOO MUCH TIME HAS PASSED WITHOUT DOING IT OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS.

Medicaid is even worse because there no tax assessed to cover it. That is, Medicaid is a "pure" entitlement and last year spent approximately $400 billion. You get it because you're low-income, not because you paid into it while working and now need it. For this reason you cannot fix Medicaid with any sort of targeted, employment-based tax because there isn't one and the regressive nature of such taxes means people will leave the workforce to avoid paying same and then collect it. In fact that has happened now and continues to this day.


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posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:20 PM
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a reply to: Phoenix

in 2016 in medical expenses ALONE, it cost American Taxpayers 18.5 billion to accommodate illegals.....

If we stem the tide by just 15-20% it will more than pay for itself in a few years.......



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:26 PM
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In my opinion, ALL AMERICANS would benefit from this unprecedented display of bi-partisan compassion for the masses!


I've got no problem with Medicare for all, heck a base standard set of healthcare, especially costs should be set that makes basic healthcare available to all. Most Americans are healthy and able bodied, contrary to popular opinion, let them have standard Medicare coverage (which we are already taxed for) so they can see the doctor/dentist/specialist, when they need and pay a the co-pay.

medical insurance should pay for perks only...

You want cable tv in your hospital bed, get insurance. over the air, free tv? medicare. now thats a system i can get behind.

But scumbags can't get filthy rich in a system like that so, ain't gonna happen. You want something to get done, then you need someone to get pizz-zaid.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: carewemust
Look at it this way. we have these everytime there is a federal holiday. the world still spins around. S checks still go out. the mail runs,and the army is open. Screw em.


That's why the Media is focusing on the politics of the shutdown, and not the shutdown itself. Since millions of dollars in tax collections arrive to the Treasury every minute, 24/7, this level of shutdown frees up enough money to pay for the wall, and expand Medicare.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Phoenix

in 2016 in medical expenses ALONE, it cost American Taxpayers 18.5 billion to accommodate illegals.....

If we stem the tide by just 15-20% it will more than pay for itself in a few years.......


Like said earlier the appropriation for the wall is a nothing-burger when cost/benefit is done. Only reason for Shumer Shut-Down is deep state love of illegal aliens for big business and future voting block along with TDS expressed by their puppets.

As to medical system - bunch of crooks deserving law applied and resulting reactions.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: carewemust
You don't care about all those poor DACA babies anymore? I thought they were supposed to be our future doctors.

Maybe some of them are in MedSchool now?



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: Phoenix

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Phoenix

in 2016 in medical expenses ALONE, it cost American Taxpayers 18.5 billion to accommodate illegals.....

If we stem the tide by just 15-20% it will more than pay for itself in a few years.......


Like said earlier the appropriation for the wall is a nothing-burger when cost/benefit is done. Only reason for Shumer Shut-Down is deep state love of illegal aliens for big business and future voting block along with TDS expressed by their puppets.

As to medical system - bunch of crooks deserving law applied and resulting reactions.



IMHO Trump should have used the "bump stock ban" as leverage for exactly this situation.........



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Generally I like much what he ran on and whats been accomplished.

My one sore point is this subject because on his campaign website up until transition had policy to address costs in medical industry.

They disappeared off website prior to inauguration - myself and many others were and are deeply disappointed he's not tackled that issue as he campaigned with.

Some think a deal was made, I wonder that also as so much money passes politicians hands from this triumvirate of Insurance companies, medical industry and politicians.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:50 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

Fiscally, that's a very, very bad trade. Medicare is underwater as it is. You think 5B for a wall is too much?!



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

To build the entire wall costs $20 billion one time, good for 100 years.
Medicare for All cost $32 TRILLION per YEAR for all people.
A major difference.
75% of current employees get their insurance through their employees anyway.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: darkbake

The Wall and Medicare expansion will take a few years to fully build/implement. But an agreement of that magnitude being used to re-open the government, would signal that a wonderful new era of bi-partisan cooperation has begun.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:57 PM
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originally posted by: chuckk
a reply to: carewemust

To build the entire wall costs $20 billion one time, good for 100 years.
Medicare for All cost $32 TRILLION per YEAR for all people.
A major difference.
75% of current employees get their insurance through their employees anyway.

You overlooked a key word in my Opening Post. That word is "AVAILABLE". You make Medicare available to those who want to buy in to it. Most likely, less than 5% of the Under Age 65 population would do so. Most of them would be people with chronic illnesses, who can't qualify for health insurance.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: carewemust
Fiscally, that's a very, very bad trade. Medicare is underwater as it is.


If Medicare is "under water", it's because people are NOT telling their Congressmen to make Medicare a priority in the national budget.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 10:02 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

Hey CWM,

Wall for Single Payer is like,

I'll buy your lunch if you spring for the new car!

If that's your idea of bipartisanship I'll take one too! lol.

(not that I care if it bankrupts you, not my problem)



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 10:06 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: carewemust
Fiscally, that's a very, very bad trade. Medicare is underwater as it is.


If Medicare is "under water", it's because people are NOT telling their Congressmen to make Medicare a priority in the national budget.


You have a very strange perspective on what health care costs and why when it comes to medicare.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: Phoenix
I'm not talking about "Single Payer". Being enslaved by our government like that is not something Americans would ever put up with.

In the O.P., I didn't go into granular details, because my only goal was to suggest a huge bi-partisan deal that would re-open the government and make America even Greater at the same time.

Details: There will be 4 avenues to medical care.
1. Medicare
2. Medicaid
3. Private Insurance
4. Cash Only

ObamaCare subsidies and taxes would be phased out over 5 years, killing the program.



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