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Okay kids, do Christian artists HAVE to draw same-sex material

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posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 04:44 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

" or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Then why would you believe the free exercise of religious beliefs is any less sacrosanct than the freedom of speech?

Since you dodged the question.




posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 04:46 PM
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Tell them no on you beliefs and if they insist agree, reluctantly. Just ask for unrestricted artistic creativity from the customer, with the understanding that they will make one idea for their wedding and if it's not liked/wanted the couple needs to go somewhere else. Once they agree on that:

"Bob and Gary's Wedding" Front

"To be married in xxxx church on xx/xx/xxxx'' Inside Left

"To honeymoon in xxxx from xx/xx/xxxx'' Inside Right

"To spend eternity in Hell for the abomination of their homosexuality'' Back

They won't use it, you don't have to make a bunch for something you don't approve of. Simple.

Not saying I'm against homosexuals, I just don't understand why somebody would want to force a business to do something against their beliefs. I understand public accommodation but, come on, why make a small mom and pops shop do this?



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posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 04:47 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Once upon a time, when people saw that someone was a Christian, they respected that that person would not likely do certain things. Nowadays, there is no respect for the practices and beliefs of others. A Christian isn't likely going to cater to a porn shoot, for example.

As a Christian, I can eat pork, but I'm not going to go to a Muslim run place of business (or a Jewish one) and expect them to make pork available to me. Would you?
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posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 04:49 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555


Because public accommodation laws do exist.


Unfortunately, we have people in our society that do hate based on religion, skin color, sex, sexual preference.


We need public accommodation laws to reign in the irrational hatred meted out by those who are irrational and not too bright.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

So the Constitution applies until it doesn't?

I'm on the side of "public accommodation laws" as long as they don't take away another Right guaranteed by the Constitution. Laws preventing discrimination are needed and right. This is just government removing the right to free expression of religion. It's government saying leave your religious beliefs at home because you have the right to express your beliefs where we say you can.

I don't think your thinking this through. It's the same as saying you have the right to free speech, unless it's speech we don't happen to agree with.

It's a move to contain religion in a box with borders defined by the State.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

Yet you say, "Laws preventing discrimination are needed and right."

What if you're discriminating based on religion?



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Refusing to create art for a customer based on religious beliefs is not discriminating on anyone at all. Just like the bakery, they can simply go to another artist. An artist who does the art they want.

Were I an artist in that business I'd not hesitate to create art for them, so don't get me wrong here.

Should Christian bookstores be forced to carry Buddhist works? Should a Muslim owned restaurant be forced to offer bacon on it's menu? Same thing is it not and if not, why?
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posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:21 PM
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They're christian... of course they'd be prosecuted for not doing so. Blame a Jew for not doing so, won't go there. Blame a muslim for not doing so, oh hell no won't go there.

Blame a christian for not doing so? Open #ing season...

Really?



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Blaine91555

Yet you say, "Laws preventing discrimination are needed and right."

What if you're discriminating based on religion?



So more or less, you are saying that if I don't believe that a marriage is anything other than between one man and one woman, I am being hateful?

That is my personal religious belief, and if you look at the book in question, it is directly what God said and then His son after Him. The Biblical basis made for justifying anti-miscegenation was not made based on anything nearly so direct or clear as what a marriage is. In fact, it's so clear that all three Abrahamic faiths follow that belief unless they are following modern interpretations based on other, less clearly stated things.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

We should face the fact that we all discriminate.


Laws against discrimination is the government forcing people to accept (at least superficially) that other people have the same rights as you do.


Now am I for a government forcing people not to discriminate?

The same I am for government punishing people for committing murder.

Sure. It's government imposing its will among the populace, but in this instance, I do agree with it.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:31 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

It is my same personal belief in regard to marriage. However, judge not lest ye be judged.

I do not support gay marriage, or any variation of such. That said, I will defend their right to do so, defend their well being, and defend them till the end of their spectacle.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:31 PM
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Many religions have restrictions, and prohibitions, but to use that as an excuse not to provide service is the basis and start of discrimination.


EXACTLY.. One has to ask why these ladies are against gay marriage, I'm guessing because they think it is a sin.
I bet they don't have a problem with couples that live together before marriage, or have children out of wedlock,
or many other multitude of sins, just gay people.

Does the Church/Bible actually say YOU cannot do business with gay couples in any fashion? I thought you aren't supposed to judge?

I wonder if Jesus would have designed that invitation for them, supposedly Jesus was a friend to sinners.....



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:34 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: sdcigarpig




Many religions have restrictions, and prohibitions, but to use that as an excuse not to provide service is the basis and start of discrimination.


EXACTLY.. One has to ask why these ladies are against gay marriage, I'm guessing because they think it is a sin.
I bet they don't have a problem with couples that live together before marriage, or have children out of wedlock,
or many other multitude of sins, just gay people.

At the same time, it is not acceptable to force your beliefs on the unbleieving.



Does the Church/Bible actually say YOU cannot do business with gay couples in any fashion? I thought you aren't supposed to judge?

I wonder if Jesus would have designed that invitation for them, supposedly Jesus was a friend to sinners.....



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm
Lol sin sounds so last year.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

They're going to do what they'll do. I'm not trying to stop them ... right up until they try to compel me and others like me to participate in what they do.

That is and was and remains the problem with the way gay marriage was legalized and it's also why the fight was always over the word more than the legal benefits.

Once they had the word, the door opened to using the 14th Amendment as a weapon against any and all groups who did not believe exactly as they did in the name of "equal treatment." We were told at the time this was not what was going to happen, but since, actions have proven the lie. I'm done accommodating. They got their legality. That was all they said they wanted ... because they knew it opened the door to naked lawfare.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

And in 8 days it will be.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: JAGStorm
Lol sin sounds so last year.


And it's your right to believe that. I'm not trying to stop you. But neither should any of you be trying to stop me from continuing on in my beliefs because you think they're passe.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:39 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: JAGStorm
Lol sin sounds so last year.


And it's your right to believe that. I'm not trying to stop you. But neither should any of you be trying to stop me from continuing on in my beliefs because you think they're passe.




Good thing we have government that can dictate our freedoms to us....



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake
2019 sinners, I can't wait lol....you cover the Scottish sinners and I'll run # down here yeah, we'll cut the profits



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: JAGStorm
Lol sin sounds so last year.


And it's your right to believe that. I'm not trying to stop you. But neither should any of you be trying to stop me from continuing on in my beliefs because you think they're passe.




Good thing we have government that can dictate our freedoms to us....


And again ... that's the problem. Government knows best and has the power to do this, and that's why we're all at each other's throats. If government was back in the cage the COTUS had originally put it in, then we wouldn't be quite this up in arms about all of this.







 
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