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Okay kids, do Christian artists HAVE to draw same-sex material

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posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

It's a bit hard to call yourself a practicing and observant Christian when you engage in sex outside marriage for money with multiple partners for the purpose of allowing others to watch it ...

Sure you can be forgiven, but then there's old bit about Jesus telling the adulterous woman to "go and sin no more."




posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: Byrd

oh thats good to hear, i hope they win!



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 07:44 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko




Did the divorced couple come to them and say, "We need invitations for our second wedding. I am marrying this man after my divorce"? My instinct would be to say no.


Maybe not every time, but I could see a couple saying, This is the second time around for us and we want something more subtle, or our invitations like this because.. Or I had that type of design at my first wedding and don't want to do it again.....

Or... a couple walks in and they have a kid in tow... Doesn't seem too far out there...



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


Good Christ you damned commie!

Is everything socialism to you?


Only everything good and just in this world.


But seriously, I get called a socialist over basically anything here. Might as well start owning the term and asking the same question back. There might be a little more socialist in you than you think there is.
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posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 07:49 PM
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The Colorado baker is actually getting sued again...
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These people are relentless in their pursuits...



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 07:51 PM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

My Mrs just gave me an early Xmas present.

Trust me im way ahead of you in the sin dept.


How's the Boiler situation any joy?
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posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Pretty sure the supreme court ruled that 'public accomodation' doesn't cover artistic creativity. IOW, they can't ban the homosexuals from purchasing their artwork or entering their store but they can decide what custom artwork they're willing to draw.

ETA: Here's the supreme court decision from earlier this year on christian baker that you were "schooled" (incorrectly, apparently) on.
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posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

I once commissioned an artist to do some family portraits.

I looked at several artists and their work before I chose someone. We talked, negotiated a price, then she went to work.

I looked at the history and background of the artist before I even spoke to her.


If people don't do that, then I will caveat that it is on them.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

You're looking at it from the non-leftists perspective though. They DO look into the background of the artist. How else do you think a couple from back east wound up at a colorado cake shop that just so happened to be one of a very select few that had objections to homosexual marriage on a religious footing? It was targeted, legal harassment. Nothing more, nothing less.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:37 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

Yeah well these days, there are a lot of people who have kids before they think about making the relationship legal. The presence of children means very little.

Our neighbors who are looking at divorce number two had one from a previous and then had one of their own before getting married.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Much like the lawyer who re-sued because the cakeshop wouldn't do a gender transition cake or whatever it was. That was intentional targeting because the think pretext the cakeshop won on was that Colorado's Commission as too obvious in their animus toward Christians implying if they were less obvious, then their animus was fine.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Yes, we live in a world where they hold open contempt for christians while demanding christians hold no contempt for them. It's pretty crazy really.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 10:58 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake
Haha sin is such an old fashioned concept!
...no boiler until the new year as haven't got the cash lol, halogen heaters, kettle, and showering at my son's house next door.
...I can still wash my sins away lol



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 11:12 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


You don't have the freedom to infringe on anothers right.

Exactly right.

Let's say I make custom alarm clocks that say something unique and specified by the customer when they go off. Now, I would expect most people to use a Bible verse, or a Quran passage, or maybe a memorable quote from someone. I have no problem with those. But then let's say someone from a Luciferian Church comes in and wants an alarm clock that says something like "God is evil!" I will refuse it, based on my religion. I will not participate in his religious preference.

Now, have I infringed on his freedom? Nope. He can go somewhere else and get that message on his clock. He is free to do so, and there's not a darn thing I can do about it (not that I would necessarily want to do anything about it; that would violate his right to freedom of religion). Has he infringed on my right to refuse to participate in his religious practice? YES. He is demanding that I perform a specific action which violates my religion.

Here we have two Christian women who do not wish to participate in a gay marriage. That is their right. Someone who is holding a gay marriage can go somewhere else to get their wedding invitations made; they are not being prevented from holding their wedding or getting purty invitations. But the women running their business have no way to avoid, by law, becoming a participant, no matter how insignificant a participant, in the wedding against their wishes.

The women making the invitations get to determine if the message they are being asked to create is acceptable to them, and whether making the custom invitations makes them a participant. No one else. Not the public, not the mayor, not the police, not the US Congress, not the President, not the Supreme Court. It's between them and their God.

Even if there is no one else who makes those types of invitations, there is no legal reason the couple themselves cannot set up a studio and learn the calligraphy themselves.

No one has the right to the property or efforts of another. Period. End of story. Final chapter. Close the book and put it on the shelf. The only reason these cases keep coming up is because some people actually want to harm Christians for being Christian. Not everyone, not everyone who is gay, not everyone who is atheist, just some people. And these people have figured out how to use the law to violate the freedoms and protections we enjoy.

If we want to keep those freedoms and protections, we had better get a handle on this nonsense.

TheRedneck



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 11:30 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck
I don't believe in any gods but I agree with everything you posted.
I refuse to contract with people I don't like or quote them a ridiculous high price.
Gender/religion/race/blah don't come into it but I massively reserve my right to refuse to contract with anybody for whatever reason I choose.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 11:34 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: DBCowboy

Well, they ARE Christian.

1/3 of the ultimate evil trinity of the left, White Christian Male.

So yea... they are toast.

Welcome to your friendly tolerant PC culture.



Edited to add...


For the record, if you serve the public, like any bakery, restaurant, website, you have to factor in public accomodation and serve the public.


I think that entirely wrong.

If it is my property and my business I should have the right to do what I want.

After all, do I have to let people I disagree with into my house if I don't want them there?

What certain criteria do I HAVE to follow, on my own property?




This has nothing to do with men, you man hating feminist piece of trash. There are just as many Female Christians...and they don't like what you stand for at all.



posted on Dec, 23 2018 @ 11:39 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

It's a bit hard to call yourself a practicing and observant Christian when you engage in sex outside marriage for money with multiple partners for the purpose of allowing others to watch it ...


Welcome to reality... I know what practicing and observant Christians do...they do the same damn things that nonpracticing Christians do...lol



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 12:40 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

That's the whole point... you have as much right to not believe as I do to believe. I'll fight for your right to not believe, and I would hope you would fight for my right to believe.

Why do I care so much? Because my beliefs are my own. Yeah, I'm Christian, but that is one big broad brush. There's at least a dozen different major denominations, some split into denominations among themselves, other minor denominations, and that's just on the Protestant side! I have no idea about the Catholic side, because I am not Catholic.

So I don't want any one of those denominations to determine how I believe for me. I'm what you might call a "reformed Christian"... I don't belong to any denomination, nor do I belong to any church. I was raised Southern Baptist, but I converted to Christianity later in life (that's called a "joke"). I do my own thing... I read and study the Bible, and pray for comprehension. I'd rather get my inspiration from God Himself than any preacher. If anyone has their religious rights violated, then my right to believe as I choose can be violated.

Those who are smiling with glee on the inside that these mean old Christian ladies are being forced to violate their religious views had better take care. The exact same thing can be used to force them to attend a church. Once we start down that road, religion will always win out in one form or another... it always has.

Always.

TheRedneck



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 12:48 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Imagine someone came in and wanted AR-15's drawn on their invitations for their weddings and were refused. Would anyone bat an eye?



posted on Dec, 24 2018 @ 12:58 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
What this is about is less about the customers being gay and more about the Christian not wanting to participate personally in a ceremony they feel mocks God.


They knew the law was in place when they set up a business there. They could have chosen to go somewhere else (like move their shop just outside the city limits. Lots of people do that.)

It could be argued that they decided to target the city since this is just a theoretical lawsuit.



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