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originally posted by: seagull
I've wondered that a time or two myself over the past two plus years...
Lessening of the strife between the US and North Korea seems like a good deal to me, but some because Trump is involved, it suddenly becomes a bad thing. Mostly "because Orange man bad".
They will deny it, of course...to no ones surprise.
originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
The old "Liberal vs. Conservative" divide is largely meaningless these days. The new divide is Globalist vs. Nationalist. Most of the leaders in Congress, in both parties, are globalists, while most of the common people are nationalists. Trump is a nationalist. The warmongers are globalists. Go back the last several decades and you'll see people with globalist thinking behind every war the US has become involved in.
originally posted by: IAMTAT
Good question, OP.
Because Trump made it one of his goals to bring our soldiers home...Democrats are now pro-interventionism because "Orange Man Bad".
Honestly, if Trump said he wanted to find the cure for cancer...Dems would suddenly become pro-cancer.
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
If you asked me that question a few years ago, it would have been easy, and I could have supported it with the votes from our legislators.
Now the question is tricky to answer. Obama talked a big game when it came to ending wars, but as they say the proof is in the pudding. He bombed 4 more countries than Bush, who really got the ball rolling for the MIC.
The question of this OP happens to be the one that typically dictates how I vote should I do my rare stray away from independent/third party.
When news broke that we would have talks with North Korea (with no concessions), I saw the media and even left leaning members here on ATS stop just short of saying they didn't want it because Trump was involved. I'm no fan of Trump, but my pride isn't so fickle I have to s### on everything he does. Jesus, if we can end a stupid war and avoid others, I'll say "cool, that's awesome".
Now with news we're going to leave Syria, I see the media and the left leaning members take a leap further than last time and say they don't want it, it's a bad decision (who knows, maybe it may be). But for the party that typically champions peace, where is this coming from? Neo-liberalism looks a lot like the Republican party to me except for that they are pro-choice and don't care if two dudes hook up or put a ring on each others finger.
From Obama to Hillary, I can't really tell the difference between the two establishment brands.
I suggest to the left that they get their house in order. The only way they have a chance in 2020 is if they sell us independents a candidate and their platform rather than run someone out as "they're not Trump".
I want there to be competition, it makes the best possible atmosphere for good things for everyone rather than just one side. Give Trump too much confidence, he has proven he'll roll things out only to appease his side. Put some pressure on him, and maybe we see him concede on a few issues to get more of the swing vote.
This wasn't written up to be sly or curt. This is serious advice. I only put it in the Mudpit to give the mods some relief as I could see this being a hot issue.