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originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
In the olden times, people could climb to the top of mountains and jump up and float into space.
Once we invented gravity, this became impossible because people were indoctrinated into the world of gravity and the part of their brain that allowed them to float into the sky was erased.
originally posted by: Maverick7
a reply to: turbonium1
My Fren, it's not an excuse, it's a realization. You may wish to use this 'piecemeal hyper analysis' but after seeing 'real' evidentiary research I'm just not trusting this method. It hit me like a bolt out of the blue that it was just shoddy amateur 'analysis' almost begging the question.
I'm not trying to convince you to give up this micro-analysis method but trust me, it's bogus. And, in fact both "sides" use it and both are equally haphazard uses of it.
Go to the OBMT's side and look over his research. When I saw that, it turned it around for me. YMMV. HTH
"One glitch is all that is needed to prove..."
That's just it. I'm saying that it is not a trustworthy method. It's prone to things like pareidolia, and misinterpretation of data and viewer bias.
Please don't look at my comments as though I've been 'turned' by the 'hoaxers' I'm trying to explain it for your benefit and I'm not asking you to change your beliefs. At most I suggest you look at OBMT's website.
originally posted by: turbonium1
The problem is believing in Apollo, despite all the evidence of a massive fake.
Claiming that humans flew to the moon, landed on the moon, walked on the moon, hit a golf ball on the moon, etc...
All the evidence proves it was faked.
For example -
The images from Apollo 15''s 'landing site' . No soil around the LM appears to be distinct, from any other soil, at all.
But images taken later, from 'lunar orbit', show a very distinct disturbance of soil, around that same LM.
Now, would you accept this is NOT CLOSE to being a trivial matter?
I've heard all the nonsense 'answers', as usual. It means nothing.
What they claim - there IS, in fact, an actual, physical disturbance of soil around the LM. But it cannot be seen in images from close range, on the surface. It can only be seen from far up, like in 'lunar orbit'.
When I asked them to show me even one, single example, of such a 'phenomenon', ever happening....no go.
And I also asked for a demonstration of it, in any form at all....but once again, no go...
They could never, ever, support this argument, obviously. It's a fantasy.
But, they still cannot admit to this reality - and that's the problem here.
originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
Have some more turbonium.
This image is from a 1981 book
it's from my own copy
Even then they were picking out areas in Apollo 15 panoramic camera images showing ground disturbed by the rocket exhaust.
The Panoramic camera was also showing how the mission progressed:
You can even make out the rover, parked exactly where the surface images show it was parked at the end of that EVA.
Let me guess - there's some obscure technical reason why you think you'll be able to dismiss those images but won;t actually bother to provide anything remotely resembling a coherent argument as to why they aren't genuine.