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An update on funding for the Wall

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posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: highvein

Well be careful what you wish for.

What happens if the cost, construction, and ethical dilemma of running this wall is, over time, the hair that splits the camels back, where the growing division between your population is concerned, civil war takes place and the wall becomes an obstacle to the retardation of the movement of your own people?

Not beyond the realms of possibility given the way that things are headed.

All it would take is one big financial meltdown or say Yellowstone going pop and it might not be a good idea to be behind a big wall that stretches thousands of kilometers.

Just spitballing now, but you must see there could be some real serious negative aspects to the whole idea.
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posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 07:49 PM
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originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: highvein

originally posted by: whywhynot
a reply to: Aazadan

Which was frozen by Congress


That is true. If Obama had the power to override congress to give 150 billion dollars back to a Nation that considers us their enemies, then Trump has the power to use 1 billion donated dollars for National Security.


And, remember that 1.7 billion were in CASH. OMG!

Just in



House approves spending bill with $5.7B for border wall


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Holy Crap! Trump got money for the wall? lmao!



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 07:51 PM
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a reply to: highvein

Where are you going to get all that lovely Cocaine and Heroin with a big wall in the way?

Ah so if you build it then you can sort out the real issues, so its a stopgap to the problem?

Expensive stop gap if ever there was one, and when it does not do what it says on the tin, what then?
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posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake





What happens if the cost, construction and, ethical dilemma of running this wall is, over time, the hair that splits the camels back, where the growing division between your population is concerned, civil war takes place and the wall becomes an obstacle to the retardation of the movement of your own people?



Because the division isn't really there. What we see online is not the same things we see when we go outside. Because to most of us Americans. It doesn't really matter what your political ideology is. There are still more people in American that don't want a war, than those that do.

A lot of people on both sides of the politcal isle have had their eyes opened in this last Presidential election. That is why Trump won. Whether you like him or not, he is finally putting our Government to work. They have been put on notice.




All it would take is one big financial meltdown or say Yellowstone going pop and it might not be a good idea to be behind a big wall that stretches thousands of kilometers.


I have considered the downside to having a wall. But at this point in time, with resources being ate up at an incredible rate, I think the wall is the best option for now.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: highvein

Where are you going to get all that lovely Cocaine and Heroin with a big wall in the way?

Ah so if you build it then you can sort out the real issues, so its a stopgap to the problem?

Expensive stop gap if ever there was one, and when it does not do what it says on the tin, what then?


I may be completely wrong about the wall. I understand that. It might not get built, the way it should be built. Stopgap. I don't think so. I think of it as a slow down the problem as fast as you can so that you can fix other problems faster and more efficient.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 08:06 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Arnie123




Not that it matters, an anti-Trumper like you can't even grasp the inner thought process of our POTUS, you simply don't possess the capacity to do so. Sit down and take a break old man 😌 you're looking a little lost.


If I couldn't get this kind of response from the cult...I probably wouldn't even log on. Triggered much?

Do you honestly think I don't know the reaction "raw story" will get?
I honestly don't think you know much at all and no, not sure you know what triggered means.

So nothing on the fail? *Yawn* not that you cared anyways.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Arnie123

Really? Congress has been flirting with a single digit approval rating for years and yet incumbents are still more likely to get reelected.

You really think the unelected people in the DoT care about public opinion?
Congress is a mess, no doubt.

But no one ever did anything about it, till now. Trump spotlights them and lights the fire beneath, this is different.

On the DoT, sure.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: highvein

Well, only time will tell i suppose.

Good luck with the nonsensical notion all the same, makes about as much sense as a chocolate teapot, but that's just my own opinion.

Walls and Trump aside merry Christmas when it comes.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 08:26 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: highvein

Well, only time will tell i suppose.

Good luck with the nonsensical notion all the same, makes about as much sense as a chocolate teapot, but that's just my own opinion.

Walls and Trump aside merry Christmas when it comes.


Thanks. Merry Christmas to you as well.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 08:36 PM
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Update.

$9,535,428 of $1.0B goal

Raised by 157,084 people in 3 days.

This will explode tomorrow, and I guaraantee that our government leaders are keeping an eye on it.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: highvein

Consider that the estimated total cost per year to end extreme poverty, worldwide, in around 20 years, would be about $175 billion.

You lot just raised, if im reading your stats correct, nearly one billion in 3 days.......for a wall.

Imagine the real possibilities if the world was behind a noble cause???



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 09:24 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: highvein

Consider that the estimated total cost per year to end extreme poverty, worldwide, in around 20 years, would be about $175 billion.

You lot just raised, if im reading your stats correct, nearly one billion in 3 days.......for a wall.

Imagine the real possibilities if the world was behind a noble cause???



No it is almost 10 million in 3 days. A lot more to go. I don't think it will reach it's mark, but the people who work at GoFundMe will be making some money.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 09:35 PM
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Ah right sorry, silly me somehow missed a decimal place. LoL

It's admirable all the same.

But yeh GoFundMe will be making quite some money.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 09:39 PM
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Even if this crowd funding effort works, and it is eventually forked over to the government — the president cannot just tap into it. Funding is allocated by Congress. That branch decides where the money winds up, not the executive branch.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: maria_stardust



The government has accepted large private donations before, most recently a billionaire donated $7.5 Million to fund half of the Washington Monument repairs in 2012; this is no different.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: maria_stardust
Even if this crowd funding effort works, and it is eventually forked over to the government — the president cannot just tap into it. Funding is allocated by Congress. That branch decides where the money winds up, not the executive branch.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.


Just a couple thoughts for you. 1) Presidents have allocated those amounts of money for a long time without Congress. 2) the go fund me guy has no obligation to turn the money over to the government. They just need to fund the wall with it. What keeps them from funding directly contractors authorized thru a Presidential EO to build that portion of the wall covered by those funds?
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posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 10:00 PM
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$10,228,300 of $1.0B goal
Raised by 167,971 people in 3 days



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 11:37 PM
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originally posted by: whywhynot
a reply to: Aazadan

Which was frozen by Congress


And it still wasn't money we spent. It was their money we were holding.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 11:39 PM
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originally posted by: CharlesT
$10,228,300 of $1.0B goal

Raised by 167,971 people in 3 days


kind of like socialism in action, a few people looking out for the rest, these really are strange times

just for fun i have changed 1 word from text below

Socialism is an economic system where the ways of making a WALL are owned by a society as a whole, meaning the value made belongs to everyone in that society, instead of a group of private owners. People who agree with this type of system are called socialists.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: highvein

originally posted by: whywhynot
a reply to: Aazadan

Which was frozen by Congress


That is true. If Obama had the power to override congress to give 150 billion dollars back to a Nation that considers us their enemies, then Trump has the power to use 1 billion donated dollars for National Security.


You're making a lot of assumptions there. What makes you think the people collecting it are going to give it to the government? Once you donate it, it's theirs. Furthermore, what makes you think Trump is going to take it to build a wall? In 13 years, when the fund reaches the amount it needs (if it continues), he'll be out of office and have no power to direct the government to do it. And on top of that, Trump is well known for taking money meant for other things and redirecting it to himself. So, even if you hit the funding goal, and if the person collecting it gives it away, you still have zero assurances that it's going to be spent where it's claimed.




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