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Trump wants to pull all US troops from Syria

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posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 02:26 AM
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originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: Strate8

This is not a question about withdrawing from Syria.

This is a question about how we do it.

The immediate withdrawal President Trump has commanded is abandonment of allies and a forfeit of US power in the region. It is precisely what Vladimir Putin demanded a week prior to President Trump's announcement.

The United States could have very easily negotiated an exit that included safe passage of the local forces that were aiding us in the region and pressed for a political solution to Assad's dictatorial reign that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and caused the largest migrant crisis in decades.

President Trump simply folded on behalf the of the United States and all of the US promises to it's allies were forfeit.


What caused the largest migrant crisis in decades was a bunch nations with no morals arming, funding, training, and providing logistical/intelligence support to headchopping foreign mercenary terrorists as a means to try to depose a legitimate government that they could not "legally" depose using the united nations.

That you don't see that renders everything else you said meaningless.




posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 10:27 PM
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a reply to: Strate8

Assad's own generals rebelled. Assad was conducting mass murder on his own people.

History is history.



posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 10:34 PM
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a reply to: Extorris



It is the truth behind the lines that are history. Pull out the spear and let the healing begin.



posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 09:39 AM
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a reply to: Extorris

They were bribed to rebel agaisnt. No uprisings is Organic CIA has a long history of regime changes and assassinations on Govs not approved by America.



posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: Extorris



Assad was conducting mass murder on his own people.

Ah yes Murdering his own people your talking like a sheep. Reminds me of Libya on some people who deeply believed that gaddafi was Murdering his own people but the reality on the ground he wasn't.

You seem to be forgetting how the fact these so called Syrian Rebels always had targeted Syrian Children and killed them just to blame the children's death on the Assad gov and use their deaths as a pretext for a military intervention.

In the early start of the so called Syrian Civil and uprising agaisnt Assad your beloved Rebels already started using car bomb attacks on Damascus.
2013

Oh i am sure these Syrian Rebels were very organic.



posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 06:41 PM
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originally posted by: 1776IIIV
a reply to: Extorris



It is the truth behind the lines that are history. Pull out the spear and let the healing begin.


Healing doesn't come next. 2019 is for Assad to finish what he started now that President Trump has bent the knee to Assad's master and rapidly withdrawn without conditions.



posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: AtlasHawk

Your posts ape unsophisticated Russian propaganda.



posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 07:03 PM
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originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: Strate8

Assad's own generals rebelled. Assad was conducting mass murder on his own people.

History is history.


Swing and a miss...

Assad was fighting ISIS.
Best be careful your posts make you almost sound pro-war and pro-isis.



posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 10:11 PM
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originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: Strate8

Assad's own generals rebelled. Assad was conducting mass murder on his own people.

History is history.


Swing and a miss...

Assad was fighting ISIS.
Best be careful your posts make you almost sound pro-war and pro-isis.


Isis was not present when Assad began killing civilians and torturing children of dissidents.
It wasn't until the civil war was in full swing that Daesh arrived.

Any claim otherwise is bizarrely false.

The uprising began in March 2011, Small numbers of ISIS fighters (a couple hundred) arrived in the spring of 2012 over a year later. They were tracked by Assad and Turkey.

History is history.

Syria children maimed and tortured by Assad forces, says UN report
www.theguardian.com...

Mother held with children in notorious Assad prison: I begged the guards to just take my life
www.telegraph.co.uk...

Assad’s torture dungeons
www.economist.com...


52 photos for children tortured to death by Assad security

en.zamanalwsl.net...

SYRIA'S ASSAD TARGETS CHILDREN FOR DETENTION AND TORTURE
www.amnestyusa.org...

The Disappeared of Syria
A look at the invisible weapon of Bashar al-Assad's regime: the kidnapping and torture of tens of thousands of Syrians.

www.aljazeera.com...

You can deny their suffering and deaths for propaganda or political purposes.
You can dispute history and defend a sociopath.
It makes no difference to me.

I promise you though that life is transient and we are all held to account for our words, deeds and actions when the books are settled. That is just the law of the universe.


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posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 10:51 PM
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a reply to: Extorris
You remind me like a good sheep who still believes that Saddam had WMDs and they were send to Syria while claiming this without any evidences.

Assad’s torture dungeons
Pure Propaganda. These Assad’s torture dungeons never exited in Syria.




You can deny their suffering and deaths for propaganda or political purposes. You can dispute history and defend a sociopath. It makes no difference to me.


So According to people like you and people who lied about Iraq and Libya, now Syria.
Assad, Saddam, Qaddafi were all sociopaths because the mainstream news media told you so?



posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 11:17 PM
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originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: Strate8

Assad's own generals rebelled. Assad was conducting mass murder on his own people.

History is history.


You should probably stop reading the propaganda of terrorists, sex slavers and child rapists. It's bad for you.



posted on Jan, 1 2019 @ 01:44 AM
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a reply to: Extorris




Syria children maimed and tortured by Assad forces, says UN report




Mother held with children in notorious Assad prison: I begged the guards to just take my life


Extorris these articles by the Mainstream News Media outlets are nothing more then propaganda or political purposes. pondering to show how evil and Fascist Assad is as a villain. But honestly have you noicted ever since the war had started in 2013 how zero MSM outlets criticized or attacked the so called Syrian MODERATE Rebels the same way as they attacked assad? and you know why?

They will be always defending their own little creations and that is the so called rebels. All those links you posted are nothing more then propaganda.

I remember reading similar headlines about Libya.
Source
Such nonsense after the intervention were founded as truth. The Libyan army under gaddafi never had any massive viagra pills.

So the point is dont believe everything you read about Syria from MSM.



posted on Jan, 1 2019 @ 01:47 AM
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a reply to: Extorris

By the way i stopped until i saw the title of the headline.


Syria children maimed and tortured by Assad forces, says UN report


Syrian Children had being killed and even threaten by the so called Rebels and these war crimes have being completely ignored both by the UN and Mainstream News Media.

Noticed also now how there are no more so called chemical attacks on Syrian people Extorris? its because the rebels did them.



posted on Jan, 1 2019 @ 08:06 AM
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a reply to: Extorris


Colorful language you offer, but still only propaganda from the west.



posted on Jan, 1 2019 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: Strate8

Assad's own generals rebelled. Assad was conducting mass murder on his own people.

History is history.


There were units of his military that rebelled the problem is at this stage there are none left, its all jihadist warriors from Isis and other terror groups around the ME.


The window to help the actual rebels closed about a year before the west started trying to arm the "rebels".



posted on Jan, 1 2019 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: Irishhaf

Only a few generals and commanders rebelled agaisnt Assad. Not Army. But according those on the ground in Syria, those generals were bribed to rebel agaisnt the Syrian gov.

They were given bribes,Money and hotel rooms in Turkey/Arab gulf states. Majority of Syrian generals stopped rebelling agaisnt Assad when they noticed on just who were the rebels in early 2013/2014.

When Rebels were committing war crimes agaisnt Syrian civilians in Aleppo the Mainstream News Media was very quiet.
edit on 1-1-2019 by AtlasHawk because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 1 2019 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: AtlasHawk

That could very well be true, not going to try and dispute it.


Either way any actual Syrian rebels are long gone, we never should have been there and I hope trump sticks to his word and gets us out.



posted on Jan, 1 2019 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Extorris
You remind me like a good sheep who still believes that Saddam had WMDs and they were send to Syria while claiming this without any evidences.


Saddam Hussein was the leader of Iraq, Bashar al-Assad is the leader of Syria.
Two different countries, dictators and wars.

Your reasoning is that since Saddam Hussien of Iraq did not have WMDs, therefor Bashar al-Assad has not committed any war crimes.

I don't find your thinking credible or rational.



Assad’s torture dungeons
Pure Propaganda. These Assad’s torture dungeons never exited in Syria.





The United Nations and Amnesty international have interviewed thousands of Doctors, Prison Guards, Government Officials and ex-inmates that have confirmed the torture, including women and children.

Part of Assad's terror campaign involves releasing children mutilated by torture back into their neighborhoods as living discouragement to others that might speak out against the government.





So According to people like you and people who lied about Iraq and Libya, now Syria.


Strange. You seem to cognate in a haze of propagandized confusion.
I have not lied about "Iraq and Libya, now Syria".
Libya and Iraq are not Syria. Please consult a map and perhaps read a bit.



Assad, Saddam, Qaddafi were all sociopaths because the mainstream news media told you so?


Did it snow yesterday in Chicago because "the mainstream news media told you so?".

I hope 2019 brings you more rational and well reasoned ways of digesting reality.
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posted on Jan, 1 2019 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: Strate8

Assad's own generals rebelled. Assad was conducting mass murder on his own people.

History is history.


There were units of his military that rebelled the problem is at this stage there are none left, its all jihadist warriors from Isis and other terror groups around the ME.


The window to help the actual rebels closed about a year before the west started trying to arm the "rebels".


The "Free Syrian Army" (Founded by defecting Syrian military generals and thousands of associated troops) dissolved and merged with the SDF "Syrian Democratic Forces" which along with the PKK (Kurdish Forces) have been allied with US Forces in Northern Syria.

www.aljazeera.com...

www.orient-news.net...

It is also worth noting that the Free Syrian Army's strategy was never occupation, but rather guerrilla warfare, hit and run and dispersing Assad's forces. Their strategic aim was never formal war and occupation. Their merging with larger forces was inevitable.



posted on Jan, 1 2019 @ 02:14 PM
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originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: Strate8

Assad's own generals rebelled. Assad was conducting mass murder on his own people.

History is history.


There were units of his military that rebelled the problem is at this stage there are none left, its all jihadist warriors from Isis and other terror groups around the ME.


The window to help the actual rebels closed about a year before the west started trying to arm the "rebels".


The "Free Syrian Army" (Founded by defecting Syrian military generals and thousands of associated troops) dissolved and merged with the SDF "Syrian Democratic Forces" which along with the PKK (Kurdish Forces) have been allied with US Forces in Northern Syria.

www.aljazeera.com...

www.orient-news.net...

It is also worth noting that the Free Syrian Army's strategy was never occupation, but rather guerrilla warfare, hit and run and dispersing Assad's forces. Their strategic aim was never formal war and occupation. Their merging with larger forces was inevitable.


The Free Syrian Army died in 2012, assuming it was ever anything but a western intelligence front. After that it was a just another extremist Islamist faction. It merged with the Al-Nusra dominated Army of Conquest in 2015 except for the elements bribed by the Turks.

The Syrian Democratic Forces are nothing but a front for the YPG terrorist organisation. They get a lot of good press in the west for some inexplicable reason considering their main goals are the ethnic cleansing of Arabs from Northern Syria and Imperial expansion into Iraq. Which doesn't make them very popular with the Iraqi-based Kurdish PUK and KDP



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