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Michael Flynn sentencing delayed as judge tells ex-Trump official: 'You sold your country out'

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posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Ha! Can't you read? That was my husbands response to you insulting his wife.
But in any case if your wife looks this good at sixty one then you will be lucky and so would she.
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posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

What about OBAMA?????? Jeez guys..... Whaaaa whaaaaa booo hooo



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 10:57 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme




posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 10:57 AM
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posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: Extorris




1) Materially lying to the FBI regarding conversations he had with Russian Ambassador Kislyak

for which they would have to know what the content of that conversation was
otherwise how do they know he is lying?
if they dont know he is lying how can they charge him?

unless you are ok with the fbi making up facts?

again the fara violation is a separate issue
interesting muller has chosen not to prosecute flynn for that?
how often are fara violations prosecuted?



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 11:01 AM
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Flynns going to walk

HAHAHAHAA!!
judge monkeyed up




posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: MetalThunder

Right back atcha babe.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

They were listening to Kisliak. They heard Flynn.... They asked him about the conversation.... he lied...



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Extorris




1) Materially lying to the FBI regarding conversations he had with Russian Ambassador Kislyak

for which they would have to know what the content of that conversation was
otherwise how do they know he is lying?
if they dont know he is lying how can they charge him?


I think you are confused in thinking that unmasking is an illegal act or that the monitoring of foreign agents in the USA like Kislyak is illegal.

Neither are illegal.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Jesus Christ dude you know that Mueller could charge Flynn with any of those crimes. He chose the one with the shortest jail term because he had to charge him with something. They could have charged him with much more serious crimes. Him and his son.
Mueller gave him a very nice gift... Help us and the only thing you have to plead guilty to is lying. Dont cooperate and you and your son go to jail for a few years.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

based on your less than honest posts here previously, your definition of "this good at sixty one" holds little promise

your threats of violence hold as much promise





posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Extorris




1) Materially lying to the FBI regarding conversations he had with Russian Ambassador Kislyak

for which they would have to know what the content of that conversation was
otherwise how do they know he is lying?
if they dont know he is lying how can they charge him?


I think you are confused in thinking that unmasking is an illegal act or that the monitoring of foreign agents in the USA like Kislyak is illegal.

Neither are illegal.


when the unmasking is not based on an illegal act it is definitely illegal
no way the fbi should have had ANY information from a protected us citizen in a LEGAL conversation with a foreign national, not without a FISA warrant and we know they were unable to get one of those until october

then to use illegally gained information to charge someone with lying to them is repulsive

defending such practices is also repulsive

mueller should have gone after the fara violation, but then we all know NOBODY gets prosecuted for those



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 12:58 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: shooterbrody

Jesus Christ dude you know that Mueller could charge Flynn with any of those crimes. He chose the one with the shortest jail term because he had to charge him with something. They could have charged him with much more serious crimes. Him and his son.
Mueller gave him a very nice gift... Help us and the only thing you have to plead guilty to is lying. Dont cooperate and you and your son go to jail for a few years.

yeah and mueller could have charged him with any other number of violations, but he did not

mueller imo is attempting to cover for the obama administrations illegal use of the intelligence community to spy on its political opponents



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 01:09 PM
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Perhaps you will listen to the words of someone from the former administration
www.usatoday.com...


When the name of a U.S. person is unmasked, that information is provided only to the intelligence official who requested that unmasking, Rice said Tuesday. "There's no equivalence between so-called unmasking and leaking," she said.

so they could spy on the ambassador
they could see who the ambassador was talking to
they could even see the conversation
but THEY COULD NOT SHARE IT WITH THE FBI as no crime had been committed and NO WARRANT HAD BEEN ISSUED

so I will ask again how the fbi knew flynn was lying
if they say they did they broke the law making them no better than flynn



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Extorris




1) Materially lying to the FBI regarding conversations he had with Russian Ambassador Kislyak

for which they would have to know what the content of that conversation was
otherwise how do they know he is lying?
if they dont know he is lying how can they charge him?


I think you are confused in thinking that unmasking is an illegal act or that the monitoring of foreign agents in the USA like Kislyak is illegal.

Neither are illegal.


when the unmasking is not based on an illegal act it is definitely illegal


Where did you pull that out of?

Listen carefully - Unmasking American individuals caught up in the Surveillance of foreign targets is NOT Illegal under ANY circumstances.

There is literally no criminal statute that prohibits it.

It can be considered "improper" if it is done without cause, but it is not illegal.

Identifying someone covertly and credibly promising Russian Agents that US Sanctions would be lifted warrants unmasking.

And by the way, folks like Trey Gowdy and other republicans agreed after Susan Rice, former NSA, testified in closed door hearings why Flynn or others were unmasked.




no way the fbi should have had ANY information from a protected us citizen in a LEGAL conversation with a foreign national, not without a FISA warrant and we know they were unable to get one of those until october


The conversations intercepted between Flynn and Kislyak started in December.

I don't know what you are talking about with FISA warrants in October.


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posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
Perhaps you will listen to the words of someone from the former administration
www.usatoday.com...


When the name of a U.S. person is unmasked, that information is provided only to the intelligence official who requested that unmasking, Rice said Tuesday. "There's no equivalence between so-called unmasking and leaking," she said.

so they could spy on the ambassador
they could see who the ambassador was talking to
they could even see the conversation
but THEY COULD NOT SHARE IT WITH THE FBI as no crime had been committed and NO WARRANT HAD BEEN ISSUED

so I will ask again how the fbi knew flynn was lying
if they say they did they broke the law making them no better than flynn


Wrong again.

"Leaking" illegal.
Sharing with the FBI Counter-Intelligence division?
That's what they do all day long.

You keep inventing weird stuff.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: Extorris

so you submit that the ic can listen in to american citizens phone calls and with no warrant and no crime committed "share" the contents of said call with the fbi?
sorry
that is expressly forbidden a felony and punishable by a 10000 fine and 5 years in jail

if they can listen to anyone anytime and share with whoever they like what is the FISA warrant for?
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posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Extorris

so you submit that the ic can listen in to american citizens phone calls and with no warrant and no crime committed "share" the contents of said call with the fbi?
sorry
that is expressly forbidden a felony and punishable by a 10000 fine and 5 years in jail


The IC can listen into Foreign Target's phone calls and if an American is on the other end, they may upon review, unmask that American and share the identity with the FBI if it is warranted.

All day long. Absolutely nothing illegal.

IC handles foriegn, FBI handles domestic.

You appear dreadfully confused by Fox News.



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posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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The IC can listen into Foreign Target's phone calls and if an American is on the other end, they may upon review, unmask that American and share the identity with the FBI if it is warranted.

the ic doesn't unmask anything
you simply do not understand the process
there are several government officials who can unmask an american citizen and only in cases of an actual crime being committed can they share ANY information of such, then a fisa warrant can be isssued
none in flynns case with the ambassador happened
flynns conversation with the ambassador was not illegal
so how did the fbi get the info?

this is how the public learned

www.washingtonpost.com... on&utm_term=.2528b41b9ba8



According to a senior U.S. government official, Flynn phoned Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak several times on Dec. 29, the day the Obama administration announced the expulsion of 35 Russian officials as well as other measures in retaliation for the hacking. What did Flynn say, and did it undercut the U.S. sanctions? The Logan Act (though never enforced) bars U.S. citizens from correspondence intending to influence a foreign government about “disputes” with the United States. Was its spirit violated? The Trump campaign didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

bring a logan act violation to the fisa court and see how fast you get laughed out

so we have the ic listening in to the appointed nsa's conversation with a foreign ambassador
we have a high ranking us government official listening to the same conversation and unmasking flynn
then the information from the call gets leaked to the washington post and published and the fbi who upon orders from the fbi director breaks protocol and goes to the white house and interviews flynn with the information from his call
then charges him with lying about the contents of such

that is filthy and in no way how the us government should be conducting business

I pray those in charge now root out this corruption and it does not continue with the current or future administrations.



posted on Dec, 20 2018 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Extorris

so you submit that the ic can listen in to american citizens phone calls and with no warrant and no crime committed "share" the contents of said call with the fbi?
sorry
that is expressly forbidden a felony and punishable by a 10000 fine and 5 years in jail

if they can listen to anyone anytime and share with whoever they like what is the FISA warrant for?

And in that spirit, what is the 4th Amendment for if there is no legal recourse?

Extorris just comes here to troll for entertainment...don't let them goad you into an adult conversation.

To be fair, though, if there is the suspicion that a citizen may be acting as a foreign agent for another government, that is an exception to the policy of "minimization" (masking).

This discusses it pretty fairly: USA Today

Note that it specifies that non-procedural unmasking isn't a criminal offense and would fall under administrative punishment instead. Not all agencies have the same "minimization" and unmasking policies, either, so that makes it even harder to figure out.

ETA: This link doesn't specify the FBI's policies, so they may be different. Also, I find how Comey handled the Flynn investigation and Mueller's subsequent treatment of him despicable, I'm just sharing what I understand. If things have changed since 2017, that article may be outdated, but what matters is how this stuff was handled at the time and which policies were in place. I can't say well enough on the FBI policy for sure.

Of course, leaking the name of an unmasked person is a crime, but the unmasking itself is not criminal. Probably should be, though, unless there is very good reason to do so.
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