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Trump's economy belongs to Obama......but when it goes bad, is that still the case?

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posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 06:16 AM
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WASHINGTON — The economy is doing quite well, thank you very much, and the president would naturally like to take credit. Both of them. Barely a day passes without President Trump boasting about the growing economy, claiming with a mix of hyperbole and fact that it is “booming like never before.” But former President Barack Obama finds all the Trumpian chest-thumping more than a little grating, given that the “booming” started on his watch. The economic contest between the 44th and 45th presidents went public in recent days when Mr. Obama expressed his irritation and Mr. Trump fired back. At stake are more than ordinary political bragging rights. Central to Mr. Obama’s historical legacy is the economy’s recovery after its plummet to the brink of a new Great Depression. And central to Mr. Trump’s current political standing is its further expansion.


This is a simple idea. Obama spent much of his first few years blaming Bush for any and all failures. Then, He wanted to claim all the economic success stories during the Trump presidency is because of his policies. Well, now the market it doing bad. Economy is stuttering. Uncertainty is creeping in. Is that Obama's as well, or it that all Trump?

I'd say you can't have it both ways, but I suspect we will see posts stating exactly that. Impress me dems, show some integrity. Own it.




posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 06:24 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
www.nytimes.com...


WASHINGTON — The economy is doing quite well, thank you very much, and the president would naturally like to take credit. Both of them. Barely a day passes without President Trump boasting about the growing economy, claiming with a mix of hyperbole and fact that it is “booming like never before.” But former President Barack Obama finds all the Trumpian chest-thumping more than a little grating, given that the “booming” started on his watch. The economic contest between the 44th and 45th presidents went public in recent days when Mr. Obama expressed his irritation and Mr. Trump fired back. At stake are more than ordinary political bragging rights. Central to Mr. Obama’s historical legacy is the economy’s recovery after its plummet to the brink of a new Great Depression. And central to Mr. Trump’s current political standing is its further expansion.


This is a simple idea. Obama spent much of his first few years blaming Bush for any and all failures. Then, He wanted to claim all the economic success stories during the Trump presidency is because of his policies. Well, now the market it doing bad. Economy is stuttering. Uncertainty is creeping in. Is that Obama's as well, or it that all Trump?

I'd say you can't have it both ways, but I suspect we will see posts stating exactly that. Impress me dems, show some integrity. Own it.



It takes time for economic polices to kick in and actually start effecting the general economy. Also you look to see when those policies were enacted. It took AGES for congress and Trump to get their tax and economic plan passed, before that time we were still running on policies enacted by Obama and the previous congress.

Like the DOT.com boom and bust are put on the shoulders of Clinton and congress of the time and not Bush 2, even though a lot of it took place early in the Bush 2's first term.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 06:32 AM
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a reply to: Pyle

so you are admitting that Obama is at fault for the failing economy?



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 06:36 AM
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Word is the Democrats are super pissed about Obama care and how trump is still around .

They are not holding back and are actually working to create a recession so it can be on trumps watch.

They are literally working to damage the economy.

Word is they also wont mind looking the other way about a terror attack.

These liberals are actually saying they won't mind if citzens are attacked if it's under trump's last 2 years .


The last 2 years are going to be bad

How anyone can support liberal Democrats is beyond me


Last midterm election BLM, antifa, LGBTQ, illegal aliens, muslims, felons and Hollywood weirdos were organized and caused the blue wave


This is your new democratic party



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 06:40 AM
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Generally speaking there's about a 1-2 year period of momentum in the economy. Decisions made by a President will kick in about two years later.

So for the first one or two years of Trump, it is basically Obama's economy. After that, we start to see the trickling in effect from the new guys policies and approaches.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 06:41 AM
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originally posted by: Bloodworth
Word is the Democrats are super pissed about Obama care and how trump is still around .

They are not holding back and are actually working to create a recession so it can be on trumps watch.

They are literally working to damage the economy.

Word is they also wont mind looking the other way about a terror attack.

These liberals are actually saying they won't mind if citzens are attacked if it's under trump's last 2 years .


The last 2 years are going to be bad

How anyone can support liberal Democrats is beyond me


Last midterm election BLM, antifa, LGBTQ, illegal aliens, muslims, felons and Hollywood weirdos were organized and caused the blue wave


This is your new democratic party



Please provide evidence of what you believe the Democrats have done to 'sabotage' the economy, when they have had control of neither the Presidency, Congress, or the Senate?



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 06:45 AM
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a reply to: Bloodworth




They are literally working to damage the economy.


Bill Maher comes to mind



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 06:50 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz
Generally speaking there's about a 1-2 year period of momentum in the economy. Decisions made by a President will kick in about two years later.

So for the first one or two years of Trump, it is basically Obama's economy. After that, we start to see the trickling in effect from the new guys policies and approaches.


That sure is convenient. I'll sure remember that when and if the leftovers ever find a candidate who isn't a slug.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 06:51 AM
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originally posted by: Dr UAE
a reply to: Bloodworth




They are literally working to damage the economy.


Bill Maher comes to mind


Yes I was going to mention the numerous Hollywood weirdos and government officials who said such things.

Democrats have some scary plans for trump the next 2 years, that are using American citizens as pawns.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 06:53 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Painterz
Generally speaking there's about a 1-2 year period of momentum in the economy. Decisions made by a President will kick in about two years later.

So for the first one or two years of Trump, it is basically Obama's economy. After that, we start to see the trickling in effect from the new guys policies and approaches.


That sure is convenient. I'll sure remember that when and if the leftovers ever find a candidate who isn't a slug.



* shrugs *

It was the same for the first two years of Obama, it was the same for the first two years of Dubya, it was the same for all of them. It will be the same for the first two years of whoever comes after Trump. It's just economics, a big ship that doesn't turn on a dime.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 07:02 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz

originally posted by: Bloodworth
Word is the Democrats are super pissed about Obama care and how trump is still around .

They are not holding back and are actually working to create a recession so it can be on trumps watch.

They are literally working to damage the economy.

Word is they also wont mind looking the other way about a terror attack.

These liberals are actually saying they won't mind if citzens are attacked if it's under trump's last 2 years .


The last 2 years are going to be bad

How anyone can support liberal Democrats is beyond me


Last midterm election BLM, antifa, LGBTQ, illegal aliens, muslims, felons and Hollywood weirdos were organized and caused the blue wave


This is your new democratic party



Please provide evidence of what you believe the Democrats have done to 'sabotage' the economy, when they have had control of neither the Presidency, Congress, or the Senate?


The recession plan wont go into effect until year 3 or 4.
Even after going after his close confidants.
Even after using their powers at the FBI, IRS, on Facebook and google to attack trump and suppress conservative values, they are upset he is still fighting back.

Republican control just shows how far the deep state go.

Citizens wanted a travel ban, airlines wanted a travel ban. President trump wanted one

But some liberal judge in Hawaii says he knows what's best

There is an epidemic of illegal alien violence in America. Look at the incarnated and those in jail right now for rape, murder, kidnapping to just killing people in drunk driving accidents.

The gov is absolutely not protecting their citizens.

Every illegal in jail right now could have had that crime prevented.

So trump and the citzens want a border wall. The cheapest most effective method used throughout history.

Not only is it a physical barrier its sends a mental message.

America is not going to recklessly look the other way anymore and give the false hope that these parents can tag along children in these harsh conditions.

The organizers of the mob have much blood on their hands.

So trump and citzens want a wall. But no?

Since Israel built their wall not too long ago they went from thousands of illegals to presently around 10..

The results are amazing



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 07:02 AM
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originally posted by: Dr UAE
a reply to: Bloodworth




They are literally working to damage the economy.


Bill Maher comes to mind




And what exactly is Bill Maher's clout over the economy of the united states that he can engineer a recession?


Also, context is important.

MAHER: Could I ask about the economy? Because this economy is going pretty well. [Laughter] What? Why was that funny?

SHERMICHAEL SINGLETON: It is going well … for now.

MAHER: Thank you. That’s my question. I feel like the bottom has to fall out at some point. And by the way, I’m hoping for it. Because I think one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy. So please, bring on the recession. Sorry if that hurts people, but it’s either root for a recession or you lose your democracy.



It's an oversimplificiation to claim Maher is rooting for a recession because he hates Trump, the context tells us that he thinks a recession is inevitable (which it is, because that's economics and the markets are all massively over leveraged at the moment), but also his opinion is that Trump's presidency threatens American democracy itself, so if he has a choice between recession or authoritarianism, he'd rather see recession.



But on the whole, his larger point is pretty similiar to one Rush Limbaugh made in 2009 when he said “I hope Obama fails.”



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 07:03 AM
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I just love the idea that Obama improved the economy but not until he left office and trump flipped a switch and fixed it.

Barack was an idiot that was not qualified to be president and his policies slowed the economy's rebound.
When trump was elected the people invested like someone taking a breath after the boot came off their neck.
I should say people over invested.
The economy will slow again, just not as much.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 07:04 AM
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a reply to: network dude

I have read various economic reports over the years that indicate it takes a couple of years for government economic policy to properly take hold on the economy. As such, i reckon we are roughly getting to the time when Trump's policies will start having an effect.

It does mean though that yes, Obama gets the credit so far but going forward it will be Trump. Or not if it goes wrong!



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 07:05 AM
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originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: Painterz

originally posted by: Bloodworth
Word is the Democrats are super pissed about Obama care and how trump is still around .

They are not holding back and are actually working to create a recession so it can be on trumps watch.

They are literally working to damage the economy.

Word is they also wont mind looking the other way about a terror attack.

These liberals are actually saying they won't mind if citzens are attacked if it's under trump's last 2 years .


The last 2 years are going to be bad

How anyone can support liberal Democrats is beyond me


Last midterm election BLM, antifa, LGBTQ, illegal aliens, muslims, felons and Hollywood weirdos were organized and caused the blue wave


This is your new democratic party



Please provide evidence of what you believe the Democrats have done to 'sabotage' the economy, when they have had control of neither the Presidency, Congress, or the Senate?


The recession plan wont go into effect until year 3 or 4.
Even after going after his close confidants.
Even after using their powers at the FBI, IRS, on Facebook and google to attack trump and suppress conservative values, they are upset he is still fighting back.

Republican control just shows how far the deep state go.

Citizens wanted a travel ban, airlines wanted a travel ban. President trump wanted one

But some liberal judge in Hawaii says he knows what's best

There is an epidemic of illegal alien violence in America. Look at the incarnated and those in jail right now for rape, murder, kidnapping to just killing people in drunk driving accidents.

The gov is absolutely not protecting their citizens.

Every illegal in jail right now could have had that crime prevented.

So trump and the citzens want a border wall. The cheapest most effective method used throughout history.

Not only is it a physical barrier its sends a mental message.

America is not going to recklessly look the other way anymore and give the false hope that these parents can tag along children in these harsh conditions.

The organizers of the mob have much blood on their hands.

So trump and citzens want a wall. But no?

Since Israel built their wall not too long ago they went from thousands of illegals to presently around 10..

The results are amazing





Okay, so no evidence then. Gotcha.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 07:09 AM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
I just love the idea that Obama improved the economy but not until he left office and trump flipped a switch and fixed it.

Barack was an idiot that was not qualified to be president and his policies slowed the economy's rebound.
When trump was elected the people invested like someone taking a breath after the boot came off their neck.
I should say people over invested.
The economy will slow again, just not as much.



I think that's probably unfair, Obama inherited the 2008 financial crash disaster. For which Dubya was woefully under equipped to deal with. And he deserves more credit than he gets for turning that around. Because the worlds economy had basically collapsed.

I'm not sure what policies you think he could have enacted that would have righted the economy more quickly?

And there really wasn't a 'Trump bounce' in the economy. Trump just says there was. Based on zero evidence whatsoever.


But hey, there's another argument put forth by a few economicists of my acquaintance that says the economy runs by and large on its own, and the influence of politicians on it is really quite minimal.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 07:12 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz


But hey, there's another argument put forth by a few economicists of my acquaintance that says the economy runs by and large on its own, and the influence of politicians on it is really quite minimal.


I also now a couple of economists that subscribe to that view, with the caveat that governmental policy can affect but usually only detrimentally.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: Painterz

Bush gets far to much credit for the financial crash of 2008 as well don't you think?
Look at how many times he warned about Fannie and Freddie.
Barney frank assured us the they were financially sound until boom.
But don't worry, we got frank Dodd out of it...

And as far as Obama, it wasn't the policies he didn't enact as much as the ones he did.
The aca alone was a huge burden on businesses and it couldn't have come at a worse time.

But you are correct. The economy will run fine if you just leave it alone.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 07:22 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: Painterz

originally posted by: Bloodworth
Word is the Democrats are super pissed about Obama care and how trump is still around .

They are not holding back and are actually working to create a recession so it can be on trumps watch.

They are literally working to damage the economy.

Word is they also wont mind looking the other way about a terror attack.

These liberals are actually saying they won't mind if citzens are attacked if it's under trump's last 2 years .


The last 2 years are going to be bad

How anyone can support liberal Democrats is beyond me


Last midterm election BLM, antifa, LGBTQ, illegal aliens, muslims, felons and Hollywood weirdos were organized and caused the blue wave


This is your new democratic party



Please provide evidence of what you believe the Democrats have done to 'sabotage' the economy, when they have had control of neither the Presidency, Congress, or the Senate?


The recession plan wont go into effect until year 3 or 4.
Even after going after his close confidants.
Even after using their powers at the FBI, IRS, on Facebook and google to attack trump and suppress conservative values, they are upset he is still fighting back.

Republican control just shows how far the deep state go.

Citizens wanted a travel ban, airlines wanted a travel ban. President trump wanted one

But some liberal judge in Hawaii says he knows what's best

There is an epidemic of illegal alien violence in America. Look at the incarnated and those in jail right now for rape, murder, kidnapping to just killing people in drunk driving accidents.

The gov is absolutely not protecting their citizens.

Every illegal in jail right now could have had that crime prevented.

So trump and the citzens want a border wall. The cheapest most effective method used throughout history.

Not only is it a physical barrier its sends a mental message.

America is not going to recklessly look the other way anymore and give the false hope that these parents can tag along children in these harsh conditions.

The organizers of the mob have much blood on their hands.

So trump and citzens want a wall. But no?

Since Israel built their wall not too long ago they went from thousands of illegals to presently around 10..

The results are amazing





Okay, so no evidence then. Gotcha.


Let's see what the future brings. Another poster posted a video of a Hollywood weirdo wishing for such things.

And if you dont think fellow liberals are on board , that's ignorant.

They want a trump economy to fail and are working hard to deliver.


Feds want to mess with trump by increasing interest rates.

And they are using their positions in the government and in the media to further this cause.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: network dude


I think everyone listens to the talking heads on TV way too much.

This is a chart of the U.S. GDP from www.bea.gov... looks like this and last quarter have been the highest its been in the last 3 years.




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