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Kids from ‘right-wing’ families must be re-educated: German govt.-backed brochure

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posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 10:16 PM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak

Arab socialism is hardly islamic. Is it?


lol, Arab socialism actually is Islamic... it is why it's called Arab socialism...


originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Women’s rights. Gay rights. Equal rights. Freedom of religion. All vehemently opposed by Islam.


Arab socialism doesn't promote the above, but it promotes "wealth redistribution, state ownership of public utilities, natural resources, large industry, transport, etc."


originally posted by: Breakthestreak
As for the topic, that ‘brochure’ sounds extremely anti-islamic which is rich considering it comes from those who openly support islam. Is there a single ‘value’ the brochure wants to promote that would be accepted by mohammed?

Nope.


You mean similar to how the left claims to be anti-nazi yet they are facists such as Antifa?...

I never wrote that "the left's ideologies make sense."

Similar to how Planned Parenthood promoted and paid for "the march of our lives" and claimed to be doing it "for the children" yet what do they do for a living?...




edit on 17-12-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.




posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: infolurker

That's a really interesting quote. What verse is that from?

Funnily enough I've been an atheist for most of my life, but with all the "weird" stuff going on around the world these past years I've been moving more and more towards Christianity. I really should get around to reading the bible (and pretty much every other religious text) one of these days.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 10:20 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

Arab socialism is hardly islamic. Is it?


lol, Arab socialism actually is Islamic... it is why it's called Arab socialism...


originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Women’s rights. Gay rights. Equal rights. Freedom of religion. All vehemently opposed by Islam.


Arab socialism doesn't promote the above, but it promotes "wealth redistribution, state ownership of public utilities, natural resources, large industry, transport, etc."


originally posted by: Breakthestreak
As for the topic, that ‘brochure’ sounds extremely anti-islamic which is rich considering it comes from those who openly support islam. Is there a single ‘value’ the brochure wants to promote that would be accepted by mohammed?

Nope.


You mean similar to how the left claims to be anti-nazi yet they are facists such as Antifa?...

I never wrote that "the left's ideologies make sense."





“Arab” does not mean “islamic”
“Islamic” does not mean “Arabic” or “Persian” or “Middle Eastern”

The VAST majority of the worlds muslims are not Arabic, Persian or Middle Eastern.

SOME Muslims are. And SOME Arabs are muslims.

I didn’t realise Arabic Socialism was related to the Islamic religion. But I may be wrong. Something I can go and study I guess.

And I think everyone agrees with you that leftist ideology is fascist and doesn’t make sense.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 10:23 PM
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How many times must Germany throw off the rein of authoritarian rule?
Ve vill tell you what is right and proper, children are to be sexualized and you von't complain!
The communists just moved West after the wall fell.
Maybe it should have stayed up.
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posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: Breakthestreak


Socialism and Islam

Although generally considered to be of European origin, socialism (Arabic ishtirakiyyah ) also has roots in the Arab Middle East. Jamal al-Din al-Afghani believed that socialism was an indigenous Arab doctrine located in pre-Islamic Arabian Bedouin traditions. He claimed that the framers of the initial Islamic state in the seventh century adopted these traditions as a structural basis from which to organize and regulate society. Islamic reformists began articulating religiously based ideas of social justice in the 1930s and 1940s.
...

www.oxfordislamicstudies.com...

If you were to look at the policies implemented in most Islamic nations, they tend to be very left-wing with only a few differences from the western view on socialism. it is the reason it is called Arab socialism, but it is also called "Islamic socialism."


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posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Thank you

I’ve just never equated the word “Arab” with “Islam” before. One is a nation/territory and the other is an ideology.
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posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 10:45 PM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak

Thank you

I’ve just never equated the word “Arab” with “Islam” before. One is a nation/territory and the other is an ideology.


Arab/Islamic socialism has some differences from the western view on socialism, but they also have many similarities and have a common goal.

It is a known fact that most Muslim people are very left-wing, including in western nations such as in the U.S. where they tend to be democrats.


America’s Muslim voters are a young, highly educated and prosperous voting bloc that will overwhelmingly back Democrats in November, according to a survey released yesterday by the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
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U.S. Muslims mostly Democrats

In other western nations most Muslims also vote left-wing, and this is because of their socialist ideals.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 10:55 PM
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originally posted by: Lulpin
We're on the absolute precipice of fate right now.


Yeah this trend we are seeing in many western nations is very troubling, and unfortunately many people in the left will agree with such tactics because it furthers their agenda.

Although it is true that there are "some" nazis out there, in reality the "nazi" claim is being used to vilify everyone who leans to the right in politics, and it is being used to further the left-wing agenda. in the eyes of such people anyone who is not left-wing is 'a nazi, a racist, a xenophobe, a misogynist, etc, etc."

This "branding/labeling" is being used to try to dissuade people from "leaning to the right in politics" and it's a way to promote left-wing ideology.


edit on 17-12-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 11:09 PM
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Anyway, to try to go back to the main argument on page 12 of the German brochure you will find part of the argument made in the "lifesitenews" website.

In German it says this in page 12.


...
Fall I.3: »Kinder aus völkischen Elternhäusern«
In einer Kita fallen zwei Geschwister auf, die besonders zurückhaltend sind und wenig von zu
Hause, z.B. vom Wochenende, erzählen. So verhalten sie sich im Morgenkreis zum Wochenbe-
ginn schweigsam und passiv. Gleichzeitig gibt es keine sogenannten Disziplinprobleme, diese
Kinder scheinen besonders ‚gut zu spuren‘. Außerdem sind traditionelle Geschlechterrollen
in den Erziehungsstilen erkennbar: Das Mädchen trägt Kleider und Zöpfe, es wird zu Hause
zu Haus- und Handarbeiten angeleitet, der Junge wird stark körperlich gefordert und gedrillt.
Beide kommen häufig am Morgen in die Einrichtung, nachdem sie bereits einen 1,5-km-Lauf
absolviert haben.
Nun lädt das Mädchen mehrere andere Kinder aus der Kita zum Kindergeburtstag ein. Ei-
nige Eltern, deren Kinder eingeladen sind, wissen um die Zugehörigkeit der Eltern in einer
rechtsextremen Kameradschaft und machen sich Sorgen, was auf dem Kindergeburtstag pas-
sieren könnte. Gleichzeitig möchten sie ihren Kindern nicht so einfach die Teilnahme und
damit auch die Möglichkeit zur Freundschaft mit dem Mädchen verbieten. Sie bitten die
Erzieher*innen um Rat.
...

www.amadeu-antonio-stiftung.de...

Using google translate into English this is what comes up.


...
Case I.3: "Children from national families"
In a kindergarten two siblings stand out, who are particularly reserved and little of too
Home, e.g. from the weekend, tell. So they behave in the morning circle to the weekly
Start silent and passive. At the same time, there are no so-called discipline problems, these
Children seem to feel good '. Besides, traditional gender roles are
Recognizable in the educational styles: The girl wears clothes and braids, it will be home
to house and handicrafts instructed, the boy is strongly physically challenged and drilled.
Both often come to the facility in the morning after they already have a 1.5-kilometer run
graduated.
Now the girl invites several other children from the kindergarten to the children's birthday party. Egg-
Parents whose children are invited know the parents' affiliation in one
extreme right-wing camaraderie and are worried about what happens at the birthday party.
could be. At the same time, they do not want their children to participate so easily
thus forbid the possibility of friendship with the girl. They ask the
Educators for advice.
...


The translation is not perfect, but it shows the argument being made in the "lifesitenews" website is in fact true.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 11:31 PM
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I am a member of the HSLDA, a legal defense fund for homeschoolers.

In many (blue) states, you have limited rights to educate your children yourself, even if you hold education degrees. Basically, you have to submit your curriculum for a local school official to approve (or not), and keep a list of how your kid did and (most importantly), how many hours a day the kids was schooled, and how much free time the child was allowed.

The HSLDA's most famous case is the Romeike family. They were German citizens who attempted to home-school their children, without relying on a religious private school. The German government arrested the parents and threatened to remove custody of the kids. The Romeikes fled to the United States, and at one point, the Obama administration was threatening to deport them back to Germany, refusing them asylum in the US of A.

Remeike family allowed to stay in US, not granted asylum

Even if swills doesn't like it, this is the state of Germany in the Merkel era, and the broken refugees from that "system" keep washing up on America's shores.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 11:31 PM
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Double post.

one that will echo in eternity, too.
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posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 12:00 AM
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originally posted by: Lulpin
a reply to: infolurker

That's a really interesting quote. What verse is that from?

Funnily enough I've been an atheist for most of my life, but with all the "weird" stuff going on around the world these past years I've been moving more and more towards Christianity. I really should get around to reading the bible (and pretty much every other religious text) one of these days.


Revelation 13:6-8

Let your thirst for knowledge lead you to Yashua.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 02:50 AM
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Hey look, another unneccessary thread about Germany!

What do you guys want?

A Germany which does not fight against far-right and (at least pre-)neo-nationalism? Really?

Germany? ... Remember?

Go ahead and lecture other countries about their relationship to nationalism and the far-right. We do our thing here.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 08:26 AM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Hey look, another unneccessary thread about Germany!

What do you guys want?

A Germany which does not fight against far-right and (at least pre-)neo-nationalism? Really?

Germany? ... Remember?

Go ahead and lecture other countries about their relationship to nationalism and the far-right. We do our thing here.


But this is ridiculous.

These days people have made the Nazi into a boogie man akin to racism in the US. This brochure is so ridiculous, they might have added smoothie drinking to their list of "right-wing" traits.

And here are some people eating it up because the word "Nazi" appears in the label, just like so much in the US is racist or white oppressive or some other similar label which is really a bunch of crap.

Yes, we should take care not to let the Reich rise again, but do you really think well behaved children are the root of all Nazism?



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Where in any of your post does it say children MUST be re-educated? Your links also contradicts themselves, one says it's supported by government (ie, it supports it's approach) the other says it's state funded - which is it? It alleges that the government gave a few thousand euros towards it but gives no facts to prove that, I wonder why.

Why do you consider it an issue for children to understand that not everything in life is binary?

There are some posts you and others have made in this thread criticising this and suggesting it is saying "Think how we think", but you seem might stoked that it's not encouraging people to just think how you think - ironic that, isn't it?



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: a325nt

how is choosing your gender to the betterment of society , who determined that its better for society to be able to determine you gender ?



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak


Fascism was originally a leftist, socialist ideology and it still is.

Funny that.


Funnier than you realise.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 11:03 AM
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Another crazy liberal idea, they keep en coming.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 11:17 AM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Hey look, another unneccessary thread about Germany!

What do you guys want?

A Germany which does not fight against far-right and (at least pre-)neo-nationalism? Really?

Germany? ... Remember?

Go ahead and lecture other countries about their relationship to nationalism and the far-right. We do our thing here.


I'm wondering how many times Germany must be destroyed before the ghost of nationalism doesn't make some people pee their undergarments. Self-loathing is a recipe for disaster and cultural suicide. Keep going and there won't be any Germans left in 100 years to worry about.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak
“Think how we think, or else”

The very definition of fascism.

Fascism was originally a leftist, socialist ideology and it still is.

Funny that.


its the second time you have posted that

i responded with this last time and will again until you see the irony


but From the Man in charge himself

"I'd like to punch him in the face," Trump said, remarking that a man disrupting his rally,

I am sure the guy was being equally obtuse but to be the leading candidate to be president, it does not suggest he will bring unity

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I dont even think he is a fascist but your example suggests violence will come for not agreeing, you might want to change your definition

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