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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Extorris
The reason Christopher Steele conducted the research is a separate question from if the intelligence he provided was accurate or not.
Those applying for a previously denied fisa warrant are obligated to ensure the information is accurate.
Using circular reporting and the dossier to obtain a fisa warrant on an american citizen was fraud upon the fisa court.
As I posted previously the fbi acted as a goon squad against the sitting administrations political rival.
In one secretly recorded conversation, detailed in the complaint, [suspected Russian spy Victor] Podobnyy said Page “wrote that he is sorry, he went to Moscow and forgot to check his inbox, but he wants to meet when he gets back. I think he is an idiot and forgot who I am. Plus he writes to me in Russian [to] practice the language. He flies to Moscow more often than I do. He got hooked on Gazprom thinking that if they have a project, he could rise up. Maybe he can. I don’t know, but it’s obvious that he wants to earn lots of money.’’
Hadn't Carter Page been brought in by the FBI in 2013 for questioning after offering to provide documents to two Russian Agents that were thereafter convicted of espionage?
Did not Page admit he traveled to Moscow in 2016 and met with Russian Officials?
a FISA warrant requires probable cause not proof.
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) allows the FBI to get a warrant from a secret court, known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), to conduct electronic surveillance on U.S. persons if they can show probable cause that the target is an “agent of a foreign power” who is “knowingly engag[ing]…in clandestine intelligence activities.” In other words, the government has to show that the target might be spying for a foreign government or organization.
First, the FBI has to conduct a “threat assessment” in order to establish grounds for even opening an investigation on potential FISA subjects.
Department of Justice court records from 2015 have provided details about how Carter Page cooperated with FBI agents in exposing Russian spies working inside the United States.
The FBI would have to gather evidence to support a the claim that the U.S. target was knowingly working on behalf of a foreign entity.
DOJ and FBI falsely attested to the FISA court not once, not twice, not thrice, but four (!) separate times that Steele was not the source of Isikoff's September 23 article, which DOJ used to corroborate claims from Steele's dossier. In fact, Steele was the only source.
Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.
originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Extorris
You're ignoring the fact that the dossier steele created was nothing but bogus. He wasn't hired to dig up dirt he was hired to make up dirt that could be used to question our election integrity. The hillary campaign paid someone to try to de-legitimize our elections if she lost. Think on that for a while.
Russia quite possibly did both. Unless you think their bots etc were harmless and didn't work?
I think we both know that they would have a multi prong attack to try and gain as much traction as possible in peoples minds and they did that by creating bots etc which created stories/responses which pushed Trump and diminished Hillary
What you think of Hillary is actually totally unimportant - the important bit is that you had a country trying to influence an election to get 'their' man into power.
And perhaps, with Hillary hiring Christopher Steele it was also probably about finding out just how deeply their tentacles reached
Those could well have been the reasons why CS was tasked with finding out what was going on.
I don't care about motive.
I care about truth.
If the Dossier is BS, then it is BS and useless to delegitimize anyhing.
The material in the Dossier needs to be investigated and proven absolute BS or verified, validated and indisputably proven. The only failure is not investigating and debunking or validating.
Ditto with the Special Counsel whatever the outcome, absolving the Trump Campaign or prosecuting crimes.
But criminals deserve prosecution, more so for crimes that any one of us would be rapidly thrown in prison for.
If 5K an hour attorneys can't get Paul Manafort off on his crimes, then the a-hole deserves some time in jail.
I am exhausted by President Trump's supporters feeling like they need to defend idiots and criminals.
President Trump won the election. HRC did not and she never will.
Criminals deserve justice.
originally posted by: JohnnySpokane
😂 A “college professor” I’m sure he’s an unbiased source....or you could read what Hitler and the Nazis wrote themselves in both the NAZI manifesto and Mein Kampf. They were Socialists, probably more Marxist and definitely leftists. Read their manifesto, it’s kinda scary how many of their beliefs are exactly the same as today’s democrats.....
a reply to: chr0naut
Both are ultra nationalist, not socialist, because their idea of 'equality' is exclusive, not inclusive.
originally posted by: Aallanon
This is redemption for many Trump followers and should only re strengthen their support
How did the FBI not know this?