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Obamacare ruled unconstitutional. Do I get my penaltys back?

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posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 08:35 AM
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Obamacare.. equaled Extortion.




posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 08:39 AM
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originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: network dude

My prediction.

Medicare for all.



I've been saying this all along. Why not just use the system that is already in place?

F'n stupid to set up a whole new game, where no body really understands the rules. What amazes me is that it even got voted and passed. I remember debate here on ATS, and ATS experts pretending they understood Obamacare.

And when I made a thread about where the money trail led, they all went silent, or ignored it. Our problem in the USA is not political parties, but blind ignorance that effects everyone else.

And to the OP, your money is gone unfortunately. A class-action would need to take place to recover even a portion of it.
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posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 08:51 AM
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I never paid the penalty. Before odumbasscare, I had the insurance I needed. A basic catastrophic policy. If I got cancer or a serious injury, I was covered. For routine care, I paid cash. After o#headcare, my catastrophic plan was no longer available because it didn't cover mammograms and some other stupid stuff a divorced male living alone doesn't need anyway. Needless to say, I didn't want that type of policy. Now, I have no insurance and pay cash as needed. I hope catastrophic plans return if ocare is #canned as it so richly deserves.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: DarthMuerte
I never paid the penalty. Before odumbasscare, I had the insurance I needed. A basic catastrophic policy. If I got cancer or a serious injury, I was covered. For routine care, I paid cash. After o#headcare, my catastrophic plan was no longer available because it didn't cover mammograms and some other stupid stuff a divorced male living alone doesn't need anyway. Needless to say, I didn't want that type of policy. Now, I have no insurance and pay cash as needed. I hope catastrophic plans return if ocare is #canned as it so richly deserves.


they are back now.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 09:13 AM
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I will look into that. Thanks. I quit looking years ago.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Didn't Trump "essentially repeal Obamacare" back in 2017?

Is he inept?

Besides, healthcare should be more important than insurance company profits. The US, as a first world country, should provide free universal healthcare like even some third world countries seem capable of.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: network dude


I know I wasnt the one being addressed here but I cant help myself it seems.

Didn't Trump "essentially repeal Obamacare" back in 2017?

Correct me if I'm wrong but...
I believe its Congress' job to legislate, therefore him placing it at the feet of Congress is essentially the end of his ability on the matter.
So no, he didn't because really, he couldn't.

Is he inept?

Off topic and subjective. I dont know. Do you?

Besides, healthcare should be more important than insurance company profits. The US, as a first world country, should provide free universal healthcare like even some third world countries seem capable of.

Based on what merit, supported by what logic, and financed by whom or what exactly?

Yes, we are a first world country. What does that have to do with anything?
Can you explain how free universal health care is possible and could be enacted?
Which 3rd world countries do you refer to?
Can you source some data for comparison perhaps?

I can say this; the common comparison made (in support of Socialism/uni-health care) is with a few Nordic countries in Europe.
Unfortunately, what seems to be lost most often in these comparisons is one key element.

The monumental disparity in population size and diversity. It's real easy for 5 million odd white nordics with similar beliefs to decide to something like that. It's a very homogeneous society.
Quite the opposite of the U.S. I'd believe.

I could be wrong here, totally off base.
But something tells me I'm not.
Look forward to your reply.


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posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 12:10 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: network dude

Didn't Trump "essentially repeal Obamacare" back in 2017?

Is he inept?

Besides, healthcare should be more important than insurance company profits. The US, as a first world country, should provide free universal healthcare like even some third world countries seem capable of.



you are a smart guy, how will it work? Lay out the plan and we can all see your brilliance on display.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: network dude

The ruling is not final. So no. Also who would have payed your hospital bills, if you got cancer, or were in a debilitating car accident? Do you know how much 1 day in intensive care would cost you? Not having insurance is not a good idea. One day you will need it.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 12:31 PM
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originally posted by: iplay1up2
a reply to: network dude

The ruling is not final. So no. Also who would have payed your hospital bills, if you got cancer, or were in a debilitating car accident? Do you know how much 1 day in intensive care would cost you? Not having insurance is not a good idea. One day you will need it.


I understand the ruling will go further in the courts. I believe this was the right call. A mandate to have insurance at inflated costs isn't right or fair. Are you aware that we have people in the US right now who cannot afford insurance due to their income and cost of said insurance? I am no longer in that boat, but I was for several years. And if you do YOUR DUE DILIGENCE and look back, insurance was affordable before the Affordable Care Act, and after, well, no so much.

Here is a way to be a hero, show us all how the system should operate, and how insurance would be funded.

I'd love to have it for free.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 12:39 PM
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There's no such thing as 'free healthcare'. But plenty countries are able to run very efficient free-at-point-of-service national healthcare systems.

No reason at all the US couldn't have something like the NHS.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: Painterz
There's no such thing as 'free healthcare'. But plenty countries are able to run very efficient free-at-point-of-service national healthcare systems.

No reason at all the US couldn't have something like the NHS.


sounds easy. How would it work?



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: Realtruth


I've been saying this all along. Why not just use the system that is already in place?


Possibly because since it is a governmental health care plan it is massively mismanaged, riddled with corruption, fraud and is currently on track to be insolvent in 2026?

But hey! Let's increase the people on the programs by a few thousandfold and see if we can't just make it go away in a week!!!

/facepalm.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: Painterz

Really? Something bankrupt that rations care and takes months or longer to see patients? No thanks. Just give me the freedom to buy only the insurance products I need. Then leave me alone and I will do the same for you.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: network dude

Didn't Trump "essentially repeal Obamacare" back in 2017?

Is he inept?

Besides, healthcare should be more important than insurance company profits. The US, as a first world country, should provide free universal healthcare like even some third world countries seem capable of.



you are a smart guy, how will it work? Lay out the plan and we can all see your brilliance on display.


You aren't getting it. It is already a well proven and done deal for the pretty much rest of the world. There are multiple workable and affordable implementations. All the US needs to do is pick the one they like:

Universal health care From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: network dude

Didn't Trump "essentially repeal Obamacare" back in 2017?

Is he inept?

Besides, healthcare should be more important than insurance company profits. The US, as a first world country, should provide free universal healthcare like even some third world countries seem capable of.





you are a smart guy, how will it work? Lay out the plan and we can all see your brilliance on display.


You aren't getting it. It is already a well proven and done deal for the pretty much rest of the world. There are multiple workable and affordable implementations. All the US needs to do is pick the one they like:

Universal health care From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


we have a working model for 375 million people? Damn, break that stuff out, let's get it to Congress ASAP. If it's this easy, what the fluck was Obama doing screwing us all up like that?



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: network dude

Didn't Trump "essentially repeal Obamacare" back in 2017?

Is he inept?

Besides, healthcare should be more important than insurance company profits. The US, as a first world country, should provide free universal healthcare like even some third world countries seem capable of.





you are a smart guy, how will it work? Lay out the plan and we can all see your brilliance on display.


You aren't getting it. It is already a well proven and done deal for the pretty much rest of the world. There are multiple workable and affordable implementations. All the US needs to do is pick the one they like:

Universal health care From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


we have a working model for 375 million people? Damn, break that stuff out, let's get it to Congress ASAP. If it's this easy, what the fluck was Obama doing screwing us all up like that?


If it is workable for 10 people, why wouldn't it scale?

That is the problem, even when presented with the obvious truth, some people choose to believe the obvious lie. They don't want to face the facts.

Perhaps that is why they elected a failed game show host to lead their country?




posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 03:24 PM
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Hypothetical... Shouldn't he have been charged with treason the second he passed it and jailed? For knowingly violating his oath against the will of the people. Even if it didn't pass, attempted treason would (sorry should) be at minimum impeachment?

Yet we know he is involved in the darkest of the dark occult (they all are), which this pales in comparison.

None of these people will ever see a cell... From the inside that is.
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posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: network dude

Didn't Trump "essentially repeal Obamacare" back in 2017?

Is he inept?

Besides, healthcare should be more important than insurance company profits. The US, as a first world country, should provide free universal healthcare like even some third world countries seem capable of.





you are a smart guy, how will it work? Lay out the plan and we can all see your brilliance on display.


You aren't getting it. It is already a well proven and done deal for the pretty much rest of the world. There are multiple workable and affordable implementations. All the US needs to do is pick the one they like:

Universal health care From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


we have a working model for 375 million people? Damn, break that stuff out, let's get it to Congress ASAP. If it's this easy, what the fluck was Obama doing screwing us all up like that?


If it is workable for 10 people, why wouldn't it scale?

That is the problem, even when presented with the obvious truth, some people choose to believe the obvious lie. They don't want to face the facts.

Perhaps that is why they elected a failed game show host to lead their country?



you are free to hate on Trump all you like, but if my memory serves, it was not Trump that screwed the pooch on this, it was Obama. And the ACA seemed to have an awful lot of pages to it. it's a shame you didn't get a chance to explain to these idiots that healthcare for all is sooper simple. Oh, BTW, how much will it cost me per year and how good will my experience be? (those are the big questions us stupid folk will ask you smart ones)



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: network dude

Didn't Trump "essentially repeal Obamacare" back in 2017?

Is he inept?

Besides, healthcare should be more important than insurance company profits. The US, as a first world country, should provide free universal healthcare like even some third world countries seem capable of.

you are a smart guy, how will it work? Lay out the plan and we can all see your brilliance on display.


You aren't getting it. It is already a well proven and done deal for the pretty much rest of the world. There are multiple workable and affordable implementations. All the US needs to do is pick the one they like:

Universal health care From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


we have a working model for 375 million people? Damn, break that stuff out, let's get it to Congress ASAP. If it's this easy, what the fluck was Obama doing screwing us all up like that?


If it is workable for 10 people, why wouldn't it scale?

That is the problem, even when presented with the obvious truth, some people choose to believe the obvious lie. They don't want to face the facts.

Perhaps that is why they elected a failed game show host to lead their country?



you are free to hate on Trump all you like, but if my memory serves, it was not Trump that screwed the pooch on this, it was Obama. And the ACA seemed to have an awful lot of pages to it. it's a shame you didn't get a chance to explain to these idiots that healthcare for all is sooper simple. Oh, BTW, how much will it cost me per year and how good will my experience be? (those are the big questions us stupid folk will ask you smart ones)


Not hating on Trump, just not fawning over him... or his predecessors.

Ask yourself, how allocating blame (dems, libs, nazis, Trump, Mueller etc) actually solves anything?

Here's an idea, perhaps they could elect a leader based upon governance capability?

Like a career civil servant with a great track record, or an economics PhD, or a experienced and qualified civil engineer, or a technocrat industry leader, or a retired judge, or a humanitarian aid organizer, or a medical administrator. Even better, how about someone who has a history and experience that covers as many of those useful qualifications as is possible?

Also, apparently, universal healthcare would be significantly cheaper than what you now pay: Reality Check: Does UK spend half as much on health as US? - BBC News
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