The Moon: Relic From An Advanced Prehistoric Civilization

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

No hard feelings here.

originally posted by: KKLOCO

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Harte
Earth is trying to catch up, and would do so. If the Sun wasn't going to expand so damned much, the Earth would eventually become locked to the Moon. Only one hemisphere of Earth would see the Moon. I would want it to be the hemisphere I was on.

Uhhh, for all the stupid folk here, could you possibly elaborate that, Phage? Because I didn’t understand most of it. I got the ‘only one hemisphere of the earth would see moon’ part. Could you elaborate on the other content?

Not stupid, just haven't read much on astronomy. Here's a very nice page on the Universe Today website that explains it. It's well written, and even I can understand it!

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: Phage

Very interesting. How long are we looking at before this becomes our reality?

Additionally, in your opinion, what would be the consequences to us, humankind?

According to the Universe Today website article the event will happen some 50 billion years in the future, which would be long after the death of the sun.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: LitriumGem

If there were an advanced prehistoric civilization capable of creating the Moon how come there is no evidence for them either here or on the Moon ?

They meditated and used their thoughts to strengthen the energy level of the ore. The moon rose into the sky and entered its orbit

That's some power of thought to lift a 1,737 km sphere from the gravity of the Earth , do you not find that somewhat fanciful ?

To lift the moon from the earth would destroy both.

Phage you know nothing....

Did you not read up on the Gravitational waves??

You know they're gonna push the moon to the earth soon? (with it being hollow ya know).

Bring on the apocalypse.

a reply to: Nickn3

what if it was created in space?

What if it was created millions of years ago and all the evidence for the civilization that made it has eroded or ended up in Michael Cremo's book "Forbidden Archeology."

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: LitriumGem

Yes. But not this, right?

Moreover, analysis of the 380 kg of moon soil samples brought back by astronauts shows that there is pure iron and pure titanium.

Why make stuff up?

The interesting question is why there is Titanium on the moon at all.

Dr Harold Urey,Nobel Prize for Chemistry:

“I’m terribly puzzled by the rocks from the Moon and in particular of their titanium content.”



A few eminent scientists have also stated the moons peculiarities:


1. Farouk El Baz,NASA:

“If water vapour is coming from the Moon’s interior is this serious. It means that there is a drastic distinction between the different phases of the lunar interior – that the interior is quite different from what we have seen on the surface.”


2. Dr S Ross Taylor,Geochemist of lunar chemical analysis :

Said the problem was that maria plains the size of Texas had to be covered with melted rock containing fluid titanium. He said you would not expect titanium ever to be hot enough to do that, even on Earth, and no one has ever suggested that the Moon was hotter than the Earth.

“What could distribute titanium in this way? Highly advanced technology developed and operated by entities that are immensely more technologically advance than humans.”


3. Dr. Gordon MacDonald,NASA:

“it would seem that the Moon is more like a hollow than a homogenous sphere’. He surmised that the data must have been wrong – but it wasn’t.”


4. University of Arizona Lon Hood:

“We knew that the Moon’s core was small, but we didn’t know it was this small… This really does add weight to the idea that the Moon’s origin is unique, unlike any other terrestrial body.”


5. Maurice Ewing, American geophysicist and oceanographer:

“As for the meaning of it, I’d rather not make an interpretation right now, but it is as though someone had struck a bell, say, in the belfry of the a church a single blow and found that the reverberation from it continued for 30 minutes.”


6. Ken Johnson, Supervisor of the Data and Photo Control department during the Apollo missions:

“The Moon not only rang like a bell, but the whole Moon wobbled in such a precise way that it was almost as though it had gigantic hydraulic damper struts inside it.”


7. Dr. D L Anderson,Professor of geophysics and director of the seismological laboratory,California Institute of Technology:

“The Moon is made inside out and that its inner and outer compositions should be the other way around.”

8. Dr. Robin Brett,NASA Scientist:

“It seems much easier to explain the nonexistence of the moon than its existence.”

9. Irwin Shapiro, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics:

“The best possible explanation for the Moon is observational error – the Moon doesn’t exist.’

“The Moon is bigger than it should be, apparently older than it should be and much lighter in mass than it should be. It occupies an unlikely orbit and is so extraordinary that all existing explanations for its presence are fraught with difficulties are none of them could be considered remotely watertight.”

10: Christopher Knight and Alan Bulter Book: Who Built the Moon?:

"The Moon has astonishing synchronicity with the Sun. When the Sun is at its lowest and weakest in mid-winter, the Moon is at its highest and brightest, and the reverse occurs in mid-summer. Both set at the same point on the horizon at the equinoxes and at the opposite point at the solstices.

What are the chances that the Moon would naturally find an orbit so perfect that it would cover the Sun at an eclipse and appear from Earth to be the same size? What are chances that the alignments would be so perfect at the equinoxes and solstices?"

This is interesting. I’m not completely against the idea other than one thing. If it’s hollow, then how has it survived so many asteroid/meteor impacts without shattering into pieces or exhibiting massive dents?

(Sorry if it’s already been discussed, no time to sort through the whole thread.)

a reply to: LitriumGem

To me the moon is not an artificial object, but a small planet that once have been taken out of orbit.
As you probably will say: just a belief. Proof is in the hands of others we don't know about. (Also just a belief.)
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Shrooms...…....they ain't for everybody.

originally posted by: LitriumGem

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: LitriumGem

Yes. But not this, right?

Moreover, analysis of the 380 kg of moon soil samples brought back by astronauts shows that there is pure iron and pure titanium.

Why make stuff up?

The interesting question is why there is Titanium on the moon at all.

Dr Harold Urey,Nobel Prize for Chemistry:

“I’m terribly puzzled by the rocks from the Moon and in particular of their titanium content.”



A few eminent scientists have also stated the moons peculiarities:


1. Farouk El Baz,NASA:

“If water vapour is coming from the Moon’s interior is this serious. It means that there is a drastic distinction between the different phases of the lunar interior – that the interior is quite different from what we have seen on the surface.”


2. Dr S Ross Taylor,Geochemist of lunar chemical analysis :

Said the problem was that maria plains the size of Texas had to be covered with melted rock containing fluid titanium. He said you would not expect titanium ever to be hot enough to do that, even on Earth, and no one has ever suggested that the Moon was hotter than the Earth.

“What could distribute titanium in this way? Highly advanced technology developed and operated by entities that are immensely more technologically advance than humans.”


3. Dr. Gordon MacDonald,NASA:

“it would seem that the Moon is more like a hollow than a homogenous sphere’. He surmised that the data must have been wrong – but it wasn’t.”


4. University of Arizona Lon Hood:

“We knew that the Moon’s core was small, but we didn’t know it was this small… This really does add weight to the idea that the Moon’s origin is unique, unlike any other terrestrial body.”


5. Maurice Ewing, American geophysicist and oceanographer:

“As for the meaning of it, I’d rather not make an interpretation right now, but it is as though someone had struck a bell, say, in the belfry of the a church a single blow and found that the reverberation from it continued for 30 minutes.”


6. Ken Johnson, Supervisor of the Data and Photo Control department during the Apollo missions:

“The Moon not only rang like a bell, but the whole Moon wobbled in such a precise way that it was almost as though it had gigantic hydraulic damper struts inside it.”


7. Dr. D L Anderson,Professor of geophysics and director of the seismological laboratory,California Institute of Technology:

“The Moon is made inside out and that its inner and outer compositions should be the other way around.”

8. Dr. Robin Brett,NASA Scientist:

“It seems much easier to explain the nonexistence of the moon than its existence.”

9. Irwin Shapiro, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics:

“The best possible explanation for the Moon is observational error – the Moon doesn’t exist.’

“The Moon is bigger than it should be, apparently older than it should be and much lighter in mass than it should be. It occupies an unlikely orbit and is so extraordinary that all existing explanations for its presence are fraught with difficulties are none of them could be considered remotely watertight.”

10: Christopher Knight and Alan Bulter Book: Who Built the Moon?:

"The Moon has astonishing synchronicity with the Sun. When the Sun is at its lowest and weakest in mid-winter, the Moon is at its highest and brightest, and the reverse occurs in mid-summer. Both set at the same point on the horizon at the equinoxes and at the opposite point at the solstices.

What are the chances that the Moon would naturally find an orbit so perfect that it would cover the Sun at an eclipse and appear from Earth to be the same size? What are chances that the alignments would be so perfect at the equinoxes and solstices?"

The problem with random quote mining without citations is that you can use them to support any random idea because you aren’t providing appropriate context. You’re just taking a random sentence or 2 that you believe supports your views. Everyone of your supposed supporting affidavits is actually explained by lunar geologists, chemists etc... you simply prefer pseudo-mystical Chinese woo to science because it’s what you want to believe.

If you want to support all of the above quotes, Provide the citations and the years those claims were made. I’m willing to bet my right leg that if you had to do that any number of folks on ATS would devour them with actual facts rather quickly.

Are you willing to repost the above info with the proper citations? If so I will address each and every claim with logic and sound science. What I’m not going to do however. Is your own homework for you. The claims are yours thus the onus for honest citations lies with you so don’t reply with “google it”.

originally posted by: Assassin82
This is interesting. I’m not completely against the idea other than one thing. If it’s hollow, then how has it survived so many asteroid/meteor impacts without shattering into pieces or exhibiting massive dents?

(Sorry if it’s already been discussed, no time to sort through the whole thread.)

Not hollow and there are massive dents. They’re called craters. The lunar mares are the result of liquid magma spilling out onto the surface for example.

a reply to: Harte

As the distance between the two bodies changes, so does the tidal lock rotation. This means that EVERY body that is in a tidal lock orbit around a planet has already, or eventually will, experience this one to one rotation. The moon didn't have it in the past when it was nearer, and it won't have it in the future when it's further away. Same for all the other moons that are tidal locked.

Yes but as it stand ours is the moon moon every observed that is doing this. Just another on the long line of lunar coincidences. Chances of the billions upon billions to one..

I can get behind an ancient civilization being much more technologically advanced and even the moon being a construction

But this bit:

For example, they purified their thoughts. When their minds became very pure, they could strengthen certain kinds of energy. After they assembled the moon that I talked about earlier, they installed machines made of some kind of crystal. (Actually, it wasn't a crystal, but some kind of pure ore instead.)

This bit right here is where the bull# really hits lol
ok fine all of it was bs

Purified thoughts aren't gonna do #.
We aren't gonna blow from bad karma
in fact karma isn't even a thing really

Also most of modern humankind doesn't think of ourselves as top species
too many alien movies for that #

but we're definitely not a base lowly civ
This guy is a hater

Humans are somewhere in the middle
doing good but can do better

originally posted by: LitriumGem

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: LitriumGem

Yes. But not this, right?

Moreover, analysis of the 380 kg of moon soil samples brought back by astronauts shows that there is pure iron and pure titanium.

Why make stuff up?

The interesting question is why there is Titanium on the moon at all.

Dr Harold Urey,Nobel Prize for Chemistry:

“I’m terribly puzzled by the rocks from the Moon and in particular of their titanium content.”

...etc.... snip...

As Peter Vlar said, you do yourself a disservice not linking the original sources of those comments. If you'd looked them up, you would find that a lot of them were made more than 40 years ago. Since then, a lot of new data has come in (that wasn't possible to measure before our age of high tech computers.

So our understanding of the Moon has changed... just as our understanding of disease changed after we got decent microscopes.

a reply to: Byrd

So our understanding of the Moon has changed... just as our understanding of disease changed after we got decent microscopes.

The mathamatics suggest the moon was placed. Far too many coincidences. Go and have a look it you have time.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Byrd

So our understanding of the Moon has changed... just as our understanding of disease changed after we got decent microscopes.

The mathamatics suggest the moon was placed. Far too many coincidences. Go and have a look it you have time.

By psychic engineers from the past? The Moon creates tides and it's 200k miles away. Imagine what it did when the psychics supposedly built something a quarter the size of Earth and hoofed it into space at 25000mph escape velocity?!

Then again, maybe it explains Mars? They might of tried it there and all of the water was sucked away into space.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Byrd

So our understanding of the Moon has changed... just as our understanding of disease changed after we got decent microscopes.

The mathamatics suggest the moon was placed. Far too many coincidences. Go and have a look it you have time.

If you're still talking about the eclipse, I already explained that.
The Moon has been here over 4 billion years. There are billion year old fossilized tide marks that prove the moon was once much closer to the Earth, and therefore (using orbital mechanics,) revolving around the Earth every 18 days and less.

Your Moon-placers would have to have been thinking really far into the future, because the moon wouldn't have been "perfectly" placed for an eclipse back then.

Lastly, Mathematics suggests nothing at all like what you say. Any orbiting body massive enough to hang around a while will eventually hit the same eclipse "sweet spot" as it edges away from the orbital center.

Harte

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Byrd

So our understanding of the Moon has changed... just as our understanding of disease changed after we got decent microscopes.

The mathamatics suggest the moon was placed. Far too many coincidences. Go and have a look it you have time.

Actually, the math and physics suggest that it was done by natural processes. And the odds of it happening are 100%.

a reply to: Byrd

I always liked the theory that a rogue mars size planet collided with early planet earth, the result of that cataclysmic collision ultimately coalesced into the moon and left the earth with the wobble that gives us our seasons.