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Analysis of Brexit

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posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 02:05 PM
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In other news Jezza has called for a vote of no confidence in Theresa May. Not in the Government, just the PM.
I despair of the bloody man.




posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: AngryCymraeg
I wouldn't trust him to mind my pint while going for a piss at the pub, never mind run the nation.
EDIT
I can't think of any politician who I'd want to mind my pint, maybe Dennis Skinner.
edit on 17-12-2018 by CornishCeltGuy because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: AngryCymraeg

I don't think Jezza could make his mind up about what bloody socks to put on.

God knows what sort of PM he would be.

One thing I would say though, is that I doubt he would drag us into a bs war like Blair did, so that's one plus point.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK

One thing I would say though, is that I doubt he would drag us into a bs war like Blair did, so that's one plus point.

Agreed, he'd surrender if someone attacked us though, he has previous form with his Falklands comments back in the day.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 03:27 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: SprocketUK

One thing I would say though, is that I doubt he would drag us into a bs war like Blair did, so that's one plus point.

Agreed, he'd surrender if someone attacked us though, he has previous form with his Falklands comments back in the day.


Yeah, he is part of that international socialist clique that values the opinions of foreigners more than Britons.
Never got my head round that. It's a bit self hating.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese



..we already trade with China, possibly on better terms than we will get on our own.


UK gov website page on trade with Hong Kong makes no mention of any EU complications. Hong Kong's open trade agreements with China means Chinese goods can be exported via Hong Kong.

I suspect that post 1997, UK's relationship with Hong Kong and access to Chinese markets made UK membership of EU essential for the EU also gaining access to new markets in the orient.

The EU top brass have banged on about the 'Irish problem' (when will Ireland decide to stop being seen as a problem?) but I have seen no mention of the UK membership @ EU opening up non EU markets or if this will be a problem the EU would have to renegotiate post Brexit.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK
I don't think Jezza could make his mind up about what bloody socks to put on.



Pity Jezza and the Labour party, caught between the youthquake that mainly want in and the traditional members and majority Labour voters that largely want out.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Meps only have an advisory role.
If they vote down a comission proposal, the president can then ASK the comission to reconsider.

Your mep is also not allowed to introduce a bill to create or rescind a law.

It's simply a tachnocracy dressed up as a democracy.


MEPs have the power to approve, amend or reject nearly all EU legislation. They hold the European Commission to account and can force it to resign. -- LINK/ Evidence --


If you are cool with that, fine, but you shouldn't lie to people to make it sound democratic, it clearly is not.


I am not lying and you should concentrate on discussing the topic, not ATS members.... you know, go after the ball not the player.


Dishonest again.
www.europarl.europa.eu...


Read your link again. It doesn't say what you seem to think it does.



 

More information on the ordinary legislative procedure 

Consultation

The European Parliament may approve or reject a legislative proposal, or propose amendments to it. The Council is not legally obliged to take account of Parliament’s opinion but in line with the case-law of the Court of Justice, it must not take a decision without having received it.



On a limited range of issues the legislative authority lies with the council ( not the commission) rather than both the council & parliament.

As I said it doesn't say what you seem to think ( or claim).

It certainly doesn't say the European parliament is only advisory.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia
You
mention better terms, chances are they will be better (less people taking

a cut) I'm no globalist but I'd settle for a hard Brexit.




Who's going to negotiate better terms? David Davis? Dominic Raab? With the weaker leverage of a market of 60 million people that doesn't really produce anything?

The only people who are going to make money out of a hard Brexit are wealthy globalists like Jacob Rees Mogg.

Oh, did you also deliberately forget to mention that Laura Ashley plc is part of MUI, a Malayan business group? Like too many British brands, we flogged them off years ago.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK


Yeah, he is part of that international socialist clique that values the opinions of foreigners more than Britons.
Never got my head round that. It's a bit self hating.


That would be the same socialist clique that wants Brexit because it would mean we could ignore State Aid rules and other non-worker friendly EU trade rules?

Remember, Corbyn is the only major party leader who is privately in favour of leaving.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: teapot

UK gov website page on trade with Hong Kong makes no mention of any EU complications. Hong Kong's open trade agreements with China means Chinese goods can be exported via Hong Kong.

I suspect that post 1997, UK's relationship with Hong Kong and access to Chinese markets made UK membership of EU essential for the EU also gaining access to new markets in the orient.

The EU top brass have banged on about the 'Irish problem' (when will Ireland decide to stop being seen as a problem?) but I have seen no mention of the UK membership @ EU opening up non EU markets or if this will be a problem the EU would have to renegotiate post Brexit.


I might have read your post wrong but you appear to be making the same fundamental mistake that Donald Trump and David Davis made when first negotiating with Merkel.

China, like all the other nations we have a good relationship with, does not have agreements with the UK on its own. It has agreements with the EU of which the UK is a member. It cannot make separate agreements with individual members.
Once we leave, the arrangements with the EU stand. We, however, will have to fall back to WTO defaults - assuming the WTO doesn't have a problem with it - until we make our own arrangements. Given the size of the Chinese market, like the US market, the negotiations are going to be seriously assymetrical.

At a tangent, the .gov websites are, like Wikipedia, a signpost to what you want to know and not necessarily reliable.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: eletheia
You really are just a Brexiteers shill. Pathetic.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese



Who's going to negotiate better terms? David Davis? Dominic Raab? With the weaker leverage of a market of 60 million people that doesn't really produce anything? The only people who are going to make money out of a hard Brexit are wealthy globalists like Jacob Rees Mogg. Oh, did you also deliberately forget to mention that Laura Ashley plc is part of MUI, a Malayan business group? Like too many British brands, we flogged them off years ago.

Aletheia still believes the Laura Ashley brand is a successful businesswoman. She then tries to play it off that she actually knew this but simply didn't think it was worthwhile mentioning it. Once again, Caught out with more wind and pish.
edit on 17-12-2018 by Soloprotocol because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 04:53 PM
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Now that Corbyn has asked for a vote of no confidence, Will the 117 tories who voted her incompetent to run the party find her competent to run a country.?



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Meps only have an advisory role.
If they vote down a comission proposal, the president can then ASK the comission to reconsider.

Your mep is also not allowed to introduce a bill to create or rescind a law.

It's simply a tachnocracy dressed up as a democracy.


MEPs have the power to approve, amend or reject nearly all EU legislation. They hold the European Commission to account and can force it to resign. -- LINK/ Evidence --


If you are cool with that, fine, but you shouldn't lie to people to make it sound democratic, it clearly is not.


I am not lying and you should concentrate on discussing the topic, not ATS members.... you know, go after the ball not the player.


Dishonest again.
www.europarl.europa.eu...


Read your link again. It doesn't say what you seem to think it does.



 

More information on the ordinary legislative procedure 

Consultation

The European Parliament may approve or reject a legislative proposal, or propose amendments to it. The Council is not legally obliged to take account of Parliament’s opinion but in line with the case-law of the Court of Justice, it must not take a decision without having received it.



On a limited range of issues the legislative authority lies with the council ( not the commission) rather than both the council & parliament.

As I said it doesn't say what you seem to think ( or claim).

It certainly doesn't say the European parliament is only advisory.



Like.....taxes.
I remember a revolutionary war being fought over taxation without representation.

But tell me, what percentage of laws being passed without a democratic mandate are acceptable before you consider yourself to be not living in a democracy?

For me, anything greater than zero is unacceptable.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Meps only have an advisory role.
If they vote down a comission proposal, the president can then ASK the comission to reconsider.

Your mep is also not allowed to introduce a bill to create or rescind a law.

It's simply a tachnocracy dressed up as a democracy.


MEPs have the power to approve, amend or reject nearly all EU legislation. They hold the European Commission to account and can force it to resign. -- LINK/ Evidence --


If you are cool with that, fine, but you shouldn't lie to people to make it sound democratic, it clearly is not.


I am not lying and you should concentrate on discussing the topic, not ATS members.... you know, go after the ball not the player.


Dishonest again.
www.europarl.europa.eu...


Read your link again. It doesn't say what you seem to think it does.



 

More information on the ordinary legislative procedure 

Consultation

The European Parliament may approve or reject a legislative proposal, or propose amendments to it. The Council is not legally obliged to take account of Parliament’s opinion but in line with the case-law of the Court of Justice, it must not take a decision without having received it.



On a limited range of issues the legislative authority lies with the council ( not the commission) rather than both the council & parliament.

As I said it doesn't say what you seem to think ( or claim).

It certainly doesn't say the European parliament is only advisory.



Like.....taxes.
I remember a revolutionary war being fought over taxation without representation.

But tell me, what percentage of laws being passed without a democratic mandate are acceptable before you consider yourself to be not living in a democracy?

For me, anything greater than zero is unacceptable.


So are you accepting that your claim that it was only advisory was wrong?

Do you also understand the difference between the council and the commission?



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 01:52 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Meps only have an advisory role.
If they vote down a comission proposal, the president can then ASK the comission to reconsider.

Your mep is also not allowed to introduce a bill to create or rescind a law.

It's simply a tachnocracy dressed up as a democracy.


MEPs have the power to approve, amend or reject nearly all EU legislation. They hold the European Commission to account and can force it to resign. -- LINK/ Evidence --


If you are cool with that, fine, but you shouldn't lie to people to make it sound democratic, it clearly is not.


I am not lying and you should concentrate on discussing the topic, not ATS members.... you know, go after the ball not the player.


Dishonest again.
www.europarl.europa.eu...


Read your link again. It doesn't say what you seem to think it does.



 

More information on the ordinary legislative procedure 

Consultation

The European Parliament may approve or reject a legislative proposal, or propose amendments to it. The Council is not legally obliged to take account of Parliament’s opinion but in line with the case-law of the Court of Justice, it must not take a decision without having received it.



On a limited range of issues the legislative authority lies with the council ( not the commission) rather than both the council & parliament.

As I said it doesn't say what you seem to think ( or claim).

It certainly doesn't say the European parliament is only advisory.



Like.....taxes.
I remember a revolutionary war being fought over taxation without representation.

But tell me, what percentage of laws being passed without a democratic mandate are acceptable before you consider yourself to be not living in a democracy?

For me, anything greater than zero is unacceptable.


So are you accepting that your claim that it was only advisory was wrong?

Do you also understand the difference between the council and the commission?




No, not at all, you are full of it.

If the parliament can not make or rescind or even reject outright every law that applies, it is only advisory



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 02:00 AM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol


.....Will the 117 tories who voted her incompetent to run the party find her competent to run a country.?


A good question with a simple answer; of course they'll vote her competent.

The thing is, Corbyn knows she'll survive, and probably wants her to survive because he doesn't want the task of managing Brexit but he's at least seen to be doing 'the right thing' as Opposition Leader.

Farcical and hypocrisy of the highest order - a perfect example of why party politics is no longer fit for purpose.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 03:52 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Soloprotocol


.....Will the 117 tories who voted her incompetent to run the party find her competent to run a country.?


A good question with a simple answer; of course they'll vote her competent.

The thing is, Corbyn knows she'll survive, and probably wants her to survive because he doesn't want the task of managing Brexit but he's at least seen to be doing 'the right thing' as Opposition Leader.

Farcical and hypocrisy of the highest order - a perfect example of why party politics is no longer fit for purpose.



Yup totally agree I am usually a supporter of his (don’t shoot me) but am massively pissed off that he’s not went all out and tabled a vote of no confidence in the government. He knows she will survive this I feel like everyone in Westminster has wasted this month acting like utter morons.

Someone needs to have the balls to start making some really tough and unpopular decisions and stop worrying about their careers. Too many of them putting their jobs and parties before the good of the country.



posted on Dec, 18 2018 @ 04:32 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

They are not morons.... they are all puppets.
Makes me laugh how many Brexit threads there are...... and not one of them will make any difference to the outcome.




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