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What was the national benefit of Obamacare?

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posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz
It did bring insurance to millions of people who didn't have it, and saved a lot of lives.

But yes, it's a shame you didn't get the original version of Obama care, and not the watered down, corporate machine rewarding compromise that the Republican party insisted on before they'd allow it to pass.


damn, I kept hearing how Obamacare, was actually Romney care. Exactly how many ways can you have it where it's "them" who are at fault? One day, you will have to realize it might be YOU.




posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 10:03 AM
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Just a blanket statement to answer everyone.... I think I built it in to OP we all agree something is wrong and needs to be addressed...

Forcing people to give to the companies that made the mess in the first place isn't the play.

It's like any time an industry threatens to topple our county.... We throw more money at them, and the execs who made reckless decisions get bigger bonuses.



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 10:55 AM
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The benefit of Obamacare? That's easy, the people working in the medical trades and supplying the medical profession got a lot more job security. The Pharma companies were the ones that did the best overall, there is a disease name for everything, everyone has some sort of a disease which requires unnecessary medical treatment.



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 10:58 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz
It did bring insurance to millions of people who didn't have it, and saved a lot of lives.

But yes, it's a shame you didn't get the original version of Obama care, and not the watered down, corporate machine rewarding compromise that the Republican party insisted on before they'd allow it to pass.


"Bring" insurance to millions? What, like supplies to survivors on a desert island? What a daft statement. A simple increase in Medicaid would have taken care of the



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 11:10 AM
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Look at insurance and health company profits since then. UP UP and then UP. And look at my bank account, down down and DOWN.

Even the NYT sort of admitted it was a bill created to benefit health corporations:

www.nytimes.com...



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz
It did bring insurance to millions of people who didn't have it, and saved a lot of lives.

But yes, it's a shame you didn't get the original version of Obama care, and not the watered down, corporate machine rewarding compromise that the Republican party insisted on before they'd allow it to pass.


Can you be more specific?



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 11:22 AM
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He had the right idea, but congress and all the lobbyists deformed it and in the end it was poorly executed.

Remember that Obama ran on Healthcare reform twice and won. The American people wanted and still want healthcare reform.

There has to be a way to do it right. Without healthcare and insurance lobbyists running interference.

Republicans know this, but have not done anything in the last ten years to do anything about it. Democrats at least are talking about medicare for all. Someone needs to step up here.
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posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 11:23 AM
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You do know the original health bill was written by the Heritage Foundation.

Right?



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 11:34 AM
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What was the national benefit of Obamacare...


We were eyewitness to the concentrated & combined effort by all the Dark-Actors in Congress and assorted Agencies who are loyal to the Deep-State

and that unmasking of individuals would be of great benefit to the Anti-NWO faction, including the latest evolution of Trumpsters & MAGA into a real-time force to fight the Globalists



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 11:54 AM
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The Democrats got to pretend that anyone who didn't agree with forcing everyone to buy into an overpriced protection racket was a heartless scumbag. I always knew the Democrats reminded me of some mafia type operation from back in the day but I thought it was silly until Obama made us an offer we weren't allowed to refuse.



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: CriticalStinker

It was Corporate Fascism sold under the guise of Socialism.

And liberals were so thoroughly hoodwinked by Him that they still beLIEve it was Socialism.




that is because the reality is that there actually is very little difference between communism and fascism. in fact they are both pretty much just slightly different brands of socialism. and just like the difference say between two brands of peas, you might like one better than another. where someone else likes the one you don't prefer to the one you prefer. but the reality is they are both peas and in the end pretty much the same thing. this is also why Antifa seems to be both fascist (Nazi) and communist. even though Antifa was originally the German communist version of the German Nazi's brownshirts. just as there is little difference between Fascism and communism both the brownshirts and Antifa were pretty much just mirror images of each other, fighting each other for power for their brand of socialism. in fact i had to laugh when one of those democratic socialists made a recent comment about being "true socialists", and not communists. since that sounded so very close to things in fact said by the National SOCIALIST German Workers' Party (better known as the NAZI party). so really there is no "lie" or being "hoodwinked" involved at all they are in fact fascists.


-Lenin is the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between Communism and the Hitler faith is very slight.
-The social is a stopgap. Socialism is the ideology of the future.
-We are not a charitable institution but a Party of revolutionary socialists.
-The people's community must not be a mere phrase, but a revolutionary achievement following from the radical carrying out of the basic life needs of the working class. A ruthless battle against corruption! A war against exploitation, freedom for the workers! The elimination of all economic-capitalist influences on national policy. Maintaining a rotten economic system has nothing to do with nationalism, which is an affirmation of the Fatherland.
-We are against the political bourgeoisie, and for genuine nationalism! We are against Marxism, but for true socialism! We are for the first German national state of a socialist nature! We are for the National Socialist German Workers’ Party!
Joseph Goebbels

now how much of those words sounds an awful lot like those words of democrats pushing socialism like Bernie and Cortez, their followers, and groups like Antifa? they really are quite close to Nazi ideals, for people who love to scream NAZI at those who oppose them.

the fact is that Obamacare was nothing but a farce. it propped up and supported (especially financially) the insurance and medical industry and their out of control costs. instead of working to fix the real problem with medical care. namely the fact that every aspect of medical care, be it hospitals, medication, tests, medical supplies and medical insurance, is far overpriced. which of course is the real reason people can not afford proper medical care OR insurance to cover medical care. and while it did in fact give people who could not previously afford proper medical care or insurance, that care and insurance. which is pretty much the poorer people in the country. it did so by taking it AWAY from many others. because they were footing the bill for those who gained the medical care, by pricing the insurance, and/or using that insurance out of reach financially for the, when they had and could use that insurance before. as well as for even those who could keep their insurance were in fact paying far more for less coverage than they had originally. taking money from peter to pay paul is not an improvement. it just means that peter is now the one needing money (or in this case medical care), while paul now has money. nothing significant had actually changed, just WHO had what they needed, and WHO didn't have what they needed changed.



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders
...forcing everyone to buy into an overpriced protection racket...


Is auto insurance optional in your state?



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: jtma508

Non.sequitur



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: jtma508

Non.sequitur


Now now, wouldn't it be wonderful to wreck your car, then get insurance with a "pre-existing" clause put in?



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

That's how Oprah did it!



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
You do know the original health bill was written by the Heritage Foundation.

Right?


And if so, why did EVERY single democratic congressman and woman vote for it? Were they fooled then? Are they all that stupid? Did they have to pass it before they read it? Seems they did.

Whataboutism indeed.



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: jtma508

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
...forcing everyone to buy into an overpriced protection racket...


Is auto insurance optional in your state?


No. But I didn't vote for someone who told me it was going to be and then made it mandatory after they won the election, either. Obama was the one who claimed there would be no mandate. It was up to him to either make that happen or scrap the whole idea (or refuse to sign it unless the final bill was what he said it was going to be). This was not even a matter of fine print. It was a flat out lie.

That aside, auto insurance is also a racket. The fact that it exists and people use it and accept it does not change what it is. The entire idea of insurance is essentially a huge protection racket that uses the power of numbers to enforce absolute obedience and loyalty to it. And of course, all of that enables mass extortion through the power of government and threat of fines, punishment and lawsuits.
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posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: Painterz

So basically, you believe that you should be able to just march up to any doctor and demand he or she perform a health service for you on the spot, gratis because it's your right?

That is what making health care a right means.

We once had a whole class of people who believed they owned the right to the labor of others. We fought a war over that too.



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 09:27 PM
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originally posted by: jtma508

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
...forcing everyone to buy into an overpriced protection racket...


Is auto insurance optional in your state?


No, but whether or not you own an auto is. Last I checked, we all would have a bit of trouble going around without a body.



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: amazing

There does have to be way to do it, but there are some very powerful forces who will only accept collectivizing it as they *only* way whether or not it is.

I don't want to be collectivized, and I don't believe our government could run such a system even if other places have systems that might work for them.




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