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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
I have a problem with that. Either everyone gets treatment, or no one does.
TheRedneck
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Extorris
And last I checked everyone has the option to get insurance.
Acting like people have no way to mitigate their health problems is disingenuous. You have a body, you can choose to get insurance or not, your choice. Even car insurance you don't need full coverage, the insurance is not about the owner but about ensuring other people are protected from their actions.
originally posted by: Extorris
Just a note.
We discuss the economics and rationality of health policy, but from a political perspective? This will kill the GOP. Costs have risen the most in red states the past two years. President Trump and the GOP promised to fix this and they have offered no alternative and only endeavored to destroy the only option a lot of people have left all the while making the situation worse, not better.
This is a suicidal strategy for the GOP.
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Extorris
Just a note.
We discuss the economics and rationality of health policy, but from a political perspective? This will kill the GOP. Costs have risen the most in red states the past two years. President Trump and the GOP promised to fix this and they have offered no alternative and only endeavored to destroy the only option a lot of people have left all the while making the situation worse, not better.
This is a suicidal strategy for the GOP.
"This" is broken because of Obama and the Dems ramming it down people's throats, and the GOP voters know it.
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Health care is a top issue for voters.
Voters believe Democrats can better handle health care issues by a 15-point margin.
64 percent of Americans want the government to take steps to help more people get covered.
A majority of Americans believe the Affordable Care Act is “about right” or “didn’t go far enough.
By a 2-1 margin, Americans say Republicans’ recent changes to health care laws have hurt, rather than helped, with their health care coverage and costs.
KFF polling continues to find pre-existing conditions as a widespread concern and with the impending lawsuit Texas v. United States, a majority of the public say it is “very important” that the Affordable Care Act’s (ACA) protections for people with pre-existing conditions ensuring guaranteed coverage (75 percent) and community rating (72 percent) remain law.
About half (52 percent) of the public are “very worried” that they or someone in their family will have to pay more for health insurance and four in ten (41 percent) are “very worried” they will lose their coverage if the Supreme Court overturns these protections.
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Extorris
Just a note.
We discuss the economics and rationality of health policy, but from a political perspective? This will kill the GOP. Costs have risen the most in red states the past two years. President Trump and the GOP promised to fix this and they have offered no alternative and only endeavored to destroy the only option a lot of people have left all the while making the situation worse, not better.
This is a suicidal strategy for the GOP.
The people who voted for Trump and the GOP voted to get rid of o-care, not 'fix the system' and replace one government boondoggle with another.
The people who are dealing with the fallout are most likely the lower income earners (aka Dem voters) in the urban strongholds of those red states.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
I personally laugh every time someone tries to equate "Obamacare" with "Republican's fault!"
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Extorris
And that's why I proposed a government-funded catastrophic health care plan for all, and agreed to a proposal (I think it was yours?) to nationalize health care. I have even proposed an entire system in the past that would provide health care free for anyone who could not afford it, and at low cost for those who couldn't afford full price. I just will not support any plan that involves insurance carriers, specifies what people can do with after-tax monies, or leaves certain people out for any reason.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Extorris
We'll see about the suicidal part. I personally laugh every time someone tries to equate "Obamacare" with "Republican's fault!" If the rest of America falls for it, they're dumber than I thought (which is entirely possible).
And I'm an Independent.
originally posted by: alphabetaone
originally posted by: TheRedneck
I personally laugh every time someone tries to equate "Obamacare" with "Republican's fault!"
Yea, I agree with that too. It seems Democrats want to have short memories when it comes to who did what. Democrats rammed Obamacare down people's throats in federal income tax'esque style in the middle of the night without allowing Republican input on it.
originally posted by: Extorris
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Extorris
Just a note.
We discuss the economics and rationality of health policy, but from a political perspective? This will kill the GOP. Costs have risen the most in red states the past two years. President Trump and the GOP promised to fix this and they have offered no alternative and only endeavored to destroy the only option a lot of people have left all the while making the situation worse, not better.
This is a suicidal strategy for the GOP.
"This" is broken because of Obama and the Dems ramming it down people's throats, and the GOP voters know it.
Polls (including Fox News) show the opposite of this claim.
None of the following statistics are possible without a significantly relevant portion of GOP voters believing the the following.
]
Health care is a top issue for voters.
Voters believe Democrats can better handle health care issues by a 15-point margin.
64 percent of Americans want the government to take steps to help more people get covered.
A majority of Americans believe the Affordable Care Act is “about right” or “didn’t go far enough.
By a 2-1 margin, Americans say Republicans’ recent changes to health care laws have hurt, rather than helped, with their health care coverage and costs.
The people who are dealing with the fallout are most likely the lower income earners (aka Dem voters) in the urban strongholds of those red states.
The people who voted for Trump and the GOP voted to get rid of o-care, not 'fix the system' and replace one government boondoggle with another.
In other words, it's not the suicide pact you think it is.
Recent Fox News Poll:
www.foxnews.com...
Fox News Poll: Health care boosts Democrats in upcoming midterm elections
www.foxnews.com...
KFF polling continues to find pre-existing conditions as a widespread concern and with the impending lawsuit Texas v. United States, a majority of the public say it is “very important” that the Affordable Care Act’s (ACA) protections for people with pre-existing conditions ensuring guaranteed coverage (75 percent) and community rating (72 percent) remain law.
About half (52 percent) of the public are “very worried” that they or someone in their family will have to pay more for health insurance and four in ten (41 percent) are “very worried” they will lose their coverage if the Supreme Court overturns these protections.
www.kff.org... al-bills/