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Venezuelans regret gun ban, 'a declaration of war against an unarmed population'

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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 03:17 PM
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I really did not want to post this in the Mud Pit, but considering the current state of this topic....

Be patient with me in replying to posts as I'm pretty busy today.


As Venezuela continues to crumble under the socialist dictatorship of President Nicolas Maduro, some are expressing words of warning – and resentment – against a six-year-old gun control bill that stripped citizens of their weapons.

“Guns would have served as a vital pillar to remaining a free people, or at least able to put up a fight,” Javier Vanegas, 28, a Venezuelan teacher of English now exiled in Ecuador, told Fox News. “The government security forces, at the beginning of this debacle, knew they had no real opposition to their force. Once things were this bad, it was a clear declaration of war against an unarmed population.”...

...A former gun store owner inside Venezuela – who told Fox News he has now been relegated to only selling fishing supplies since the ban – said he can’t sell any type of weaponry - even a slingshot - and underscored that even BB ammunition and airsoft guns are only issued to police and military officers...

...“The Venezuelan rulers – like their Cuban masters – apparently viewed citizen possession of arms as a potential danger to a permanent communist monopoly of power.”...

...The punishment for illicit carrying or selling a weapon now is 20 years behind bars.


More than three million Venzuelans have fled into neighboring Colombia since the crisis of 2015.



I can't think of a more in our faces argument against gun control and why our Constitution protects us from this exact thing happening.

With the concept of socialism being pushed now among many on the Left side of the aisle, by people who are also screaming for gun control, it is worrying. I don't think we are at the level yet of the average person on the Left wanting us disarmed but if they get too much control and keep chip, chip, chipping away at our Right, they may at some point in the future succeed.

Socialism historically never leads to anything other than something akin to Communism. It seems that's just how it is and when those in control get that kind of power over us, they always turn to the dark side.

We need to watch this ongoing drama in Venezuela and take it seriously as a lesson in what can happen. It was not that long ago that Hugo Chavez was the darling of President Carter and the extreme Left and this is his legacy. The path from Socialism to Marxism is a short one.



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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

Venezuela is a cautionary tale.

Some see it as a blue print for what must be done, however.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 03:27 PM
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The nra should do a gun drop

Like they did for UK population was trying to defend against the Germans

Or how America dropped guns in for the free French(yellow vest of yesteryear) against the Germans.

Why are the Germans always trying to destroy other nation states...



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 03:28 PM
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The nra should do a gun drop

Like they did for UK population was trying to defend against the Germans

Or how America dropped guns in for the free French(yellow vest of yesteryear) against the Germans.

Why are the Germans always trying to destroy other nation states...


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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 03:28 PM
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It's common sense to anyone with an IQ above room temp.

But......some people have to learn the hard way.


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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I see it as warning in giant neon letters staring us in the face.

I'm tempted at times when watching all the shootings that happen to say that perhaps a little more gun control may be a good idea. Then I come to my senses and take a look at the world around us for lessons in what the truth of it is.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 03:34 PM
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Venezuela is just the latest case of hard socialism causing a society to crumble. Look at Russia, China, or Cuba -- they all followed the exact same pattern. Russia and China finally threw off the socialism and are seeing things improve, tho China is still an Orwellian nightmare.


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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 03:36 PM
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I remember that low-info host Piers Morgan claiming that it was “absurd” to imagine that any government could turn tyrannical or usurpery.

What a moron.

Maybe not our children . Not our grandchildren. But some generation in the future will be glad they have high caliber, high capacity firearms in every household across the country when the government tries to turn tyrannical, as they all inevitably do.

The second amendment is very very clear that the reason for the right to have firearms is to deter the government from trying to become tyrannical.

The funny part is, those low-info supporters of gun control who claim that premise is ‘absurd’ are the very people who currently claim the sitting President is somehow ‘tyrannical’ or a ‘dictator’.

“Shall not be infringed”, the four most ‘triggering’ words in The constitution.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 03:37 PM
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Should we give the anti-2nd amendment clowns the benefit of the doubt because they're easily brainwashed by propaganda and media spin??

Nah - eff'em!

Seriously, is anyone surprised??



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

I'm curious of your sources for the quotes.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Russia for the most part set it aside, but the remnants of the stink still has a great deal of power. I think Russia is on it's way to a true democracy, but a generation or two from it materializing.

It comes apart when they allow their citizens a good education and access to the world. We however seem to be in the process of dumbing down.
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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

SORRY
It's now in the OP.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: Propagandalf

SORRY
It's now in the OP.


Hey thanks!

With examples such as this, it makes you wonder why the right to bear arms, which is fundamentally tied to the right to defend oneself, hasn't garnered universal support.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

Sounds like this was the plan all along.
The gun store owner couldn't even sell slingshots?

That's not just a gun ban, that's a outright weapons ban period.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 04:22 PM
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Any time a government takes it's citizens right to defend themselves away, it's because they fear them and they know they are going to do things to them that may lead to themselves being taken from power.

I think all governments are aware that they can't stand up to united population if push comes to shove.

When one part of society wants to force their views on everyone, it's time for people to pay close attention. History always repeats.

This idea that the innocent should give up their rights because of something the guilty have done is an age old tactic. In our case it's even more egregious since violent crime is way down over the last twenty years, not up and way more of us own guns now. Violent crime going down is something they can't mention as the facts negate their argument.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 04:25 PM
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Obviously fake, every good liberal knows that it’s impossible in modern times for a government to turn tyrannical. Expecially a socialist country because we all know socialists just care so much about the people they govern.

Take a good long look at your utopia eating itself alive.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 04:53 PM
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I'm tempted at times when watching all the shootings that happen to say that perhaps a little more gun control may be a good idea. Then I come to my senses and take a look at the world around us for lessons in what the truth of it is.

Same here.

The thing that brings me back to reality is when I realize who will be in charge of deciding who gets guns and who doesn't. For me, that nightmare is Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer. For others, it might be Donald Trump. Who here would like to see him in charge of who gets to have a gun? That's what gun control is.

TheRedneck



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: DBCowboy

I see it as warning in giant neon letters staring us in the face.

I'm tempted at times when watching all the shootings that happen to say that perhaps a little more gun control may be a good idea. Then I come to my senses and take a look at the world around us for lessons in what the truth of it is.


When Parkland happened, I was ready to hear some options, .....as long as they weren't the same old tired ones.....they were.

Mention mental health, you get crickets. Mention video games, you get pummeled by all sides. So with results like that, I'm with you. No talk, just keep them clean and oiled.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: Blaine91555
I really did not want to post this in the Mud Pit, but considering the current state of this topic....

Be patient with me in replying to posts as I'm pretty busy today.


As Venezuela continues to crumble under the socialist dictatorship of President Nicolas Maduro, some are expressing words of warning – and resentment – against a six-year-old gun control bill that stripped citizens of their weapons.

“Guns would have served as a vital pillar to remaining a free people, or at least able to put up a fight,” Javier Vanegas, 28, a Venezuelan teacher of English now exiled in Ecuador, told Fox News. “The government security forces, at the beginning of this debacle, knew they had no real opposition to their force. Once things were this bad, it was a clear declaration of war against an unarmed population.”...

...A former gun store owner inside Venezuela – who told Fox News he has now been relegated to only selling fishing supplies since the ban – said he can’t sell any type of weaponry - even a slingshot - and underscored that even BB ammunition and airsoft guns are only issued to police and military officers...

...“The Venezuelan rulers – like their Cuban masters – apparently viewed citizen possession of arms as a potential danger to a permanent communist monopoly of power.”...

...The punishment for illicit carrying or selling a weapon now is 20 years behind bars.


More than three million Venzuelans have fled into neighboring Colombia since the crisis of 2015.



I can't think of a more in our faces argument against gun control and why our Constitution protects us from this exact thing happening.

With the concept of socialism being pushed now among many on the Left side of the aisle, by people who are also screaming for gun control, it is worrying. I don't think we are at the level yet of the average person on the Left wanting us disarmed but if they get too much control and keep chip, chip, chipping away at our Right, they may at some point in the future succeed.

Socialism historically never leads to anything other than something akin to Communism. It seems that's just how it is and when those in control get that kind of power over us, they always turn to the dark side.

We need to watch this ongoing drama in Venezuela and take it seriously as a lesson in what can happen. It was not that long ago that Hugo Chavez was the darling of President Carter and the extreme Left and this is his legacy. The path from Socialism to Marxism is a short one.



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So Socialism = Gun Control now? Check. Why is that?

Is it a will of the people thing? Because that would be socialism, it would be democratic, and it would be constitutional (if there were a constitutional convention and all that to remove the protections of the 2nd).

Sooooo... where are we?

Oh yeah, some sour grapes libertarian gun store owner claiming that they could have negated the results of a democratic election in Venezuela, if they just had had their guns. Kinda minimizes the whole story when you boil it down huh.

You've got FOX news to tell you what to think though.

Why is socialism bad? What is unconstitutional about expanding the social safety net? You know (I know you do because we can make lists all day and they have been posted numerous times) that we already live in a mixed socialist/capitalist country.

Why are you falling into line behind the 1%?

Seriously, you guys need to ask yourselves that. Why cede your rights and wealth to the 1%? Because that's what you are doing when you turn your nose at free healthcare, free education, etc.

If the answer is "because I want to be rich" or anything to that effect then you are a dumb dumb. Sorry to straw man that last line, but I can seriously not think of any other answer. The deck is stacked against you ever becoming a billionaire. Why not raise every bodies standards of living? Why only make the wealthy wealthier?

Making the wealthy wealthier is all you are doing when you stand against social programs.

Why are you allowing FOX and the rest of them fear monger you against this?

Hey to be fair, the neo-libs are doing the same thing on our side, we just keep on showing them up. WE aren't allowing our side to fear monger us.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Blaine91555


, it might be Donald Trump. Who here would like to see him in charge of who gets to have a gun? That's what gun control is.

TheRedneck


I think that makes the point very well


This is definitely an issue that crosses all party lines. As power changes hands, so does the powers that come with the office is a very good point.

Being neither in the tank for the Right or Left, on this issue I fall in with the Right. I suspect many from the Left, who sadly remain silent, also agree with the Right on this issue. If on a gun range I were to ask everyone on the Left to raise their hands, I think the percentage would be significant.

You would think the level of gang violence in the inner cities would make supporting gun rights the prevalent opinion. Making people fearful of the tool, rather than fearful of the wielder of the tool is clearly a strategy to slowly force this on us.
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