Worst of all Brexit Scenarios

a reply to: Dwoodward85

I like that point of view , and suppose some people would get their knickers in a twist about the possibility of Lidl suddenly being shut , or the pharmacies having no medicines

It depends perhaps on if the eu will or has to allow British and European companies to continue trading just on wto terms alone ?

Does the wto have powers to order Europe to comply with no deal trading ?

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
I pity the people, but not the government. It will not go well.

hhahaha we will be just fine my friend Always remember this is the 'easiest deal ever.' Britain 'holds all the cards'

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

From what the WTO has said and a few politicians on both sides of Brexit (UK/EU) have said, the WTO is a global law. All nations have the right to trade but that the WTO is a default thing, it isn't the be all and end all nations can do deals etc. so yeah it's sort of a law that can be pushed onto the EU which is why the EU will end up making either some form of a deal that can get passed parliament or at the very least make a new deal.

There were rumours a little while ago that May was offered a deal that was basically us staying in and right of free movement being regulated when it came to the UK but was knocked back by a few member states.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip
New Zealand, Canada, and Australia trade with the EU and world without free movement of people.
The UK can do the same, any talk otherwise is just doom porn, silly scare mongering.
I have stocked up on my medication all the same, just in case of short term issues.

a reply to: Dwoodward85

OK that makes sense , maybe the government should use it if its a good tool for leveraging them out of our affairs . Show them that no deal means we get someone else's standards than just theirs .

The wto must have a lot of power if it can put the EU in it's place . It reminds me that America might be behind brexit somehow, and , isn't the US referred to as 'the most favoured nation' in some of their documents ?

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: DoctorBluechip
New Zealand, Canada, and Australia trade with the EU and world without free movement of people.
The UK can do the same, any talk otherwise is just doom porn, silly scare mongering.
I have stocked up on my medication all the same, just in case of short term issues.

Of course we can trade, we just can't trade on the same terms we do now.

Since a huge part of our trade is with the EU that will put us at a major competitive disadvantage.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

True . Its ridiculous how that unelected lot get to quietly cut deals on behalf of 741 million people .

I don't have any medications I need luckily enough . A barrel of scotch would be nice though

a reply to: ScepticScot
Meh we'll be fine, maybe a few things will cost more money, but it will even out when other goods from other nations cost less.
The doom talk is ridiculous here at times.
Businesses will still trade, Britain will not go bankrupt.

Well yeah we’re screwed

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot
Meh we'll be fine, maybe a few things will cost more money, but it will even out when other goods from other nations cost less.
The doom talk is ridiculous here at times.
Businesses will still trade, Britain will not go bankrupt.

It's not a case of going bankrupt, it is a case of significantly reducing our standard of living.

Why any sovereign nation would prefer to be a part of such a beast as the EU escapes me.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Why any sovereign nation would prefer to be a part of such a beast as the EU escapes me.

Other than being economically better off, better human rights protections, freedom of movement and longest period of peace in western European history.

Other than that?

a reply to: SlapMonkey
Ignore the whining of the Scottish members, they are not used to being independent and free of sucking the teat of taxpayers.
They want to be independent of the UK but join the EU and adopt the Euro currency, that ain't independence.
They are all bitching in other threads for a second referendum, unlucky, they lost pmsl.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip
Weeelll, if the EU wanted to punish the UK. Let me see, Lidl, well that's German as is Aldi. The majority of railway companies are German and French owned, that's by their nationalised railways. The largest supplier of electricity happens to be EDF, that stands for Electricite de France. The majority of nuclear power plants are owned by the French, though the Conservatives want to water this down with a deal to give China 50% of new nuclear plants.
Let's make this very perfectly clear the UK never, never signed the Schengen agreement for free movement of people in the EU. That alone is down to the British government allowing it to happen. They could have stopped that anytime they wanted. And it was also the same with non- EU migrants, they were NOT forced on the UK by the EU that again was a British government decision. Which they could have stopped anytime they wanted.
Ah well, we'll have our sovereignty what ever the f### that is.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: DoctorBluechip

Ah well, we'll have our sovereignty what ever the f### that is.

I think It means more power to our highly centralised, non proportionally elected parliament with an unelected second chamber, hereditary head of state and no real constitution.

Rule Britania & God bless blue passports.

I think a cross-party alliance needs to be given the reins to get everything smoothed out; however, I get the feeling we could do with an extra six months to prepare. Given that we're now allowed to unilaterally withdraw from Brexit - can we unilaterally give ourselves a bit more time, as I suggest?

I voted to remain, but in the months that followed I gradually became a leave advocate. I think we may have dodged a bullet in the long term. My preference may have been something like Norway/Canada plus plus whatever. Close ties but no direct obligations in some of the more impactful areas.

I have to confess, I'm extremely grateful for the 22 miles of English Channel waters which largely will keep the worst of the 'migrant crisis' away from our shores. As for everything else, I think we can absolutely make it on our own, but the transition may be choppy over the first couple of years.

I'm a staunch advocate for our becoming a hub for innovation, science & technology start-ups & so on. I think we will best market ourselves as 'inventor's workshop to the world'. We absolutely need to lose the 'financial services' & general services provision dead-end call centre nonsense. We can & should do better for our young people. Proper innovation, proper entrepreneurial spirit & the ability to craft novel solutions to the worst problems which are afflicting the world. That's how we overcome the Brexit gremlins.

Grit, enthusiasm & a can-do spirit. It's been done before, we can do it again.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment


I'm a staunch advocate for our becoming a hub for innovation, science & technology start-ups & so on. Proper innovation, proper entrepreneurial spirit & the ability to craft novel solutions to the worst problems which are afflicting the world. That's how we overcome the Brexit gremlins.

Grit, enthusiasm & a can-do spirit. It's been done before, we can do it again.

A renewed spirit of British innovation has begun! Last week I saw this;

Abandoned coal mines could be transformed into huge underground farms, academics at the University of Nottingham have suggested.

In a bid to feed rising urban populations, cut CO2 emissions and boost yields, the researchers are exploring the possibility of introducing hydroponic production on a large scale underground, with the added benefit of improving food safety due to crops reduced exposure to pollution.

www.fruitnet.com...

Already being done in disused railway tunnels in London.

We could go further. Aquaponic farms rather than hydroponic. With the worlds oceans slowly dying through plastics/chemical pollutants and nuclear waste, might be the only healthy, edible fish available. We could corner the global market!

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
Loving your enthusiasm mate
The UK could be a great place if were all optimistic.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Other than being economically better off, better human rights protections, freedom of movement and longest period of peace in western European history.

Other than that?

If you have to rely on a larger governing body than your own country's for those things, it's possible that you should not be a sovereign nation.

Just something to consider*.











* and I really do mean "consider," not just knee-jerk react to it

originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Other than being economically better off, better human rights protections, freedom of movement and longest period of peace in western European history.

Other than that?

If you have to rely on a larger governing body than your own country's for those things, it's possible that you should not be a sovereign nation.

Just something to consider*.











* and I really do mean "consider," not just knee-jerk react to it

We get these benefits from being part of a supranational body. There isn't really anything to consider as they are benefits we enjoy as part of the EU.