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Originally posted by FredT
Okay guys which is it????
Originally posted by sardion2000
2. It would be useless in the zero sum game of Mutually Assured Destruction AND it could easily be defeated through the use of dummy missiles even by "rogue" states.
No you study it! You can stand on the shores of Alaska and wave hello to the Russians 3 miles across the way. It doesn't take a genius to understand that they know Alaska would have to be nuked to take out your installations, but maybe you think they would be doing so from the western end of Russia. Furthermore, you're sitting up there in your Greenland bases, if Russia were to launch over the Acrtic, and missiles heading to D.C come into Canadian airspace, your Greenland and your Alaskan installations have failed to protect you. Finally regarding Russia, if they decide to unleash their thousands of nukes, you'll be meeting your maker even with anti-missile shields set up on every Canadian street corner.
Originally posted by Phoenix
Yeah, study your own map a bit more and you might just notice the 100 degree longitude at the top right over Russia and then work your way left where that same 100 degree longitude comes down over Canada - that is the shortest distance for a missile flight. (over the north pole)
Really? So what happens when some trigger happy person misreads the data, fires and shoots down a non-hostile aircraft? It is not like this has not already happened the Brits can attest to picking up the pieces of their fighter, just as we have a few dead soldiers for such mistakes.
Originally posted by namehere
being that canada is part of norad, any threat coming over canadian territory automatically is our responsibility if canada cant handle it, unless you want to violate our defense agreements by denying our access in such a situation as an icbm coming?
Originally posted by FredT
Deus,
By many accounts on this thread and the near identical other one, many have said Canada is already a target because of the United States. So how would the missile shield make you a bigger one?
as posted by soficrow
D I P L O M A C Y.
The art of resolving conflict without violence.
It's what civilized nations and people do. Beyond many in the current administration, obviously, and explains why the US is no longer a super power - reduced to spitting over it's neighbors fences.
Originally posted by Seekerof
as posted by soficrow
D I P L O M A C Y.
The art of resolving conflict without violence.
It's what civilized nations and people do. Beyond many in the current administration, obviously, and explains why the US is no longer a super power - reduced to spitting over it's neighbors fences.
I guess it was good that I did sign off when I did, eh, soficrow?
Cause if I had been on, the above 'soficrow lesson" on "diplomacy" would have bit the dust, and quick.
History, not history, reveals that "diplomacy" is about as effective as using a fighter to shot down an ICBM. Bet.
as posted by soficrow
Don't cry masqua. Canada is NOT alone. The world loves Canada. The USA is alone, without friends or real allies - and now there's no more money to buy loyalty. Woe is ME. What shall we do, what shall we do?
as sposted by soficrow
FYI - Canada does not have ICBMs. If the US acted civilized and talked to Canada about using her airspace, and negotiated an agreement about it - that's diplomacy
Originally posted by Seekerof
as posted by soficrow
Don't cry masqua. Canada is NOT alone. The world loves Canada. The USA is alone, without friends or real allies - and now there's no more money to buy loyalty. Woe is ME. What shall we do, what shall we do?
Typical all bark no bite, soficrow.
You may wish member within thsi board to believe your "spiel," but be assured, you are mistaken in what you assert.
I call this burying your head in the sand and underestimating the rest of the world. You must think the Russians are content to sit back on their haunches and watch the US develop systems they cannot counter. It is nice to be able to sit here and presume to know what goes on over there I guess. Or maybe they put out a monthly publication to the world on the state of their military capabilities. I recall just a few years ago, it was doubted that NK had the bomb too.
Originally posted by Broadsword20068
I seriously doubt Russia would have any anti-missile defense system. Also, I seriously doubt there'd be an "trigger-happy" person at the controls of such a system. Furthermore, a missile travels far, far, fare faster than any "non-hostile" aircraft.
Exactly, so why is the US being a crybaby about this, if not to get onto our soil and establish bases?
As for if any missile flies in over Canada, if they cannot stop it,..
Let us not, as we do not, and we have no enemies, especially one south of the US with missiles to fire at us just because they might hate the fact we have lots of snow. It is a pointless hypothesis.
Let's say Canada also has a missile defense as well. And let's say a missile is heading over the U.S. to hit Canada. The U.S. I am sure would try to shoot it down. but let's say the U.S. misses. I seriously doubt the U.S. is going to say, "wait until it enters Canadian airspace, then fire on it."
The way I see it, the US is the sucky one, they don't get what they want and whine about it.
Canada can be sucky to the U.S. all it wants;
Now this really intrigues me. Which nations do Canada and Mexico need protection from? What are the facts to back your position that we would not be what we are because you think you have protected us? From where I sit, it is the opposite, Canada would not be what it is today if we had not won that attempt at invasion from that southern neighbour. Please protect us from you.
everyone knows Canada and Mexico would not be the countries they are if it wasn't for the United States to protect them...
So you think that a missile shield would stop russia from redesigning your landscape? If not, tell me which countries would have missiles crossing over Canada?
Though I can understand Canada not wanting to play a part in a missile defense possibly. Maybe the U.S. should try to make its missile defense able to launch from within the U.S.
True, very true, and the only dictators mad enugh to do that today are Jong Il and Bush.
Bush's belief I think is legit. You never know if some little dictator might decide to launch a nuke.
We don't want it and we don't need it.
If you don't spend money to develop the tech, you won't have it. But if you do, and do get the tech, you have a big advantage over the opposition.
Originally posted by Seekerof
as sposted by soficrow
FYI - Canada does not have ICBMs. If the US acted civilized and talked to Canada about using her airspace, and negotiated an agreement about it - that's diplomacy
Unknowing to you or I, I'm sure that these discussion were brought up. How long before Mr. Martin passed on his decision that he would not join the program that the US talked with him about this?
Canada is still in the dark about everything a ballistic missile defence agreement with the United States would involve, Defence Minister Bill Graham said Friday. ...He said that's part of the reason why Prime Minister Paul Martin announced Thursday that Canada won't sign on.
"One of the problems was, before you could get to an understanding of exactly what was on the table, you had to sign the memorandum of understanding, which they provided," Mr. Graham told this newspaper's editorial board.
"In other words, you had to sign on to missile defence before you could find out what you were likely to get."
Mr. Graham, who was in Halifax as part of a post-budget tour, said it didn't make sense to sign on in those circumstances.
"Why would we sign on first and find out what we were going to get later?"
U.S. mum on missile details
as posted by soficrow
And FYI - I don't have a "spiel." Quit trying to pick fights with me - you're a mod not a troll. Get one of your lapdogs to do it.
Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
No you study it! You can stand on the shores of Alaska and wave hello to the Russians 3 miles across the way. It doesn't take a genius to understand that they know Alaska would have to be nuked to take out your installations,
Really? So what happens when some trigger happy person misreads the data, fires and shoots down a non-hostile aircraft? It is not like this has not already happened the Brits can attest to picking up the pieces of their fighter, just as we have a few dead soldiers for such mistakes.