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POLITICS: US Threatens Canada's Airspace: Ignores International Law

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posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by DeusEx
Naw, merely implied that Middle Easterners are inferior to whites. that's what about white supremacy is about, right? Whites being better than others?


I didn't see that implied in the post. I saw a sarcastic projection of the belief that Canadas representative was chosen specifically to display to the world that Canada was tolerant of all. I'm not saying he is correct, or that he isn't racist, I don't know him, but the post in no way to me implied hatred.



Note my reply:

What? Did she have tusks or something? Maybe she was just beautiful. Can't cope with that, I suppose. Well, don't worry, I'm sure the local stores aren't quite out of white bedsheets yet.

I'm sticking with that. Implications, while not direct evidence, are plenty telling.


You're right, there are plenty of beautiful middle eastern women. And that could very well be the case here. But, do you really believe that if somebody is implicated without direct evidence they are guilty? I'm sure you didn't mean that.




posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 03:26 PM
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Until anti-missile defences are perfected the U.S. system can only protect the continent from rogue states such as North Korea and accidental launches so all this hand wringing from Canadians is a bit premature to say the least.



At the same time they partake in diplomatic relations with the country to end thier race for Nuclear arms, they want to protect us from them? That's a bit ironic, is it not? It's as ironic as ending the Nuclear Arms race, and then starting this one.

Also, how did they thread become a debate over racial superiority? If this women was chosen due to her racial predisposition, then I stand by proud of this statement: Middle Easterns, by far, are in much need of positive discourse in the media and public. The American have created an utter culture of ignorance in regards to Middle Easterns, and we see this evidently as the days go by. One can easily gather this by the lack of education propounded by the American goverment in regards to Islam or the Middle East, and in such times, it's needed first and formost.

Deep

[edit on 26-2-2005 by ZeroDeep]



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by 27jd
You're right, there are plenty of beautiful middle eastern women. And that could very well be the case here. But, do you really believe that if somebody is implicated without direct evidence they are guilty? I'm sure you didn't mean that.


If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, what are the odds that it isn't a duck?

DE



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix

Yeah, study your own map a bit more and you might just notice the 100 degree longitude at the top right over Russia and then work your way left where that same 100 degree longitude comes down over Canada - that is the shortest distance for a missile flight. (over the north pole)

In fact if you go south on the 100 degree line in Russia you arrive at their missile fields, same if you look at the 100 longitude for the U.S.

Until anti-missile defences are perfected the U.S. system can only protect the continent from rogue states such as North Korea and accidental launches





Then and now, the missile fear is 99% scare-mongering. Why? Money. As always. To justify funneling the nation's wealth into military industry.


You need to read this:

Manufacturing the Cold War






so all this hand wringing from Canadians is a bit premature to say the least.





Hand wringing? The US routinely breaks, bypasses and flouts international law. Now Canada is directly threatened by a US diplomat. And you call excercising the right to free speech and dissent hand wringing?

IMO - that's what the war-mongers are doing. Hand wringing and fear-mongering. Pah.



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[edit on 26-2-2005 by soficrow]



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by DeusEx
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, what are the odds that it isn't a duck?


It could be a sick goose with a short neck.



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 03:36 PM
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I'm sitting here in Socialist Canada, wringing my hands, worrying about a torrent of Russian missiles pouring over the Arctic, exploding all my dear friends and relatives in Vancouver, Sarnia and Wawa. My knees are sore from knocking as my Ichabod Crane personna waffles and quakes.

Canada is weak, I cry...weak and sappy...

Oh, woe is me...poor Canuck, stuck in a bully world.

*sob*



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by masqua
I'm sitting here in Socialist Canada, wringing my hands, worrying about a torrent of Russian missiles pouring over the Arctic, exploding all my dear friends and relatives in Vancouver, Sarnia and Wawa.

Oh, woe is me...poor Canuck, stuck in a bully world.

*sob*




Don't cry masqua. Canada is NOT alone. The world loves Canada. The USA is alone, without friends or real allies - and now there's no more money to buy loyalty. Woe is ME. What shall we do, what shall we do?



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posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow
Don't cry masqua. Canada is NOT alone. The world loves Canada. The USA is alone, without friends or real allies - and now there's no more money to buy loyalty. Woe is ME. What shall we do, what shall we do?


Canada is not alone how? Right now, who is Canada's main ally? Who would go to war with Canada in the event it was attacked? Please, don't just say the world, because that's lofty BS, tell me who would militarily back Canada at this point in time? Besides the U.S.

I know what's next, Canada doesn't have any enemies so that would never happen. At this point no, but who knows, if America were to be destroyed somehow, things could very easily change, Canada wouldn't have the world's mightiest military. I don't believe Canada would be Canada too much longer after that.

And the USA is far from alone. Even if we were, which we're not, we still have one of two huge nuclear arsenals as an ally. What shall we do? Hopefully we never have to do anything.



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 04:06 PM
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Canada is not alone how? Right now, who is Canada's main ally? Who would go to war with Canada in the event it was attacked? Please, don't just say the world, because that's lofty BS, tell me who would militarily back Canada at this point in time? Besides the U.S.


Ally in what regards? You cannot state that America would back Canada in the 'event' that it was attacked, not when this 'event' is simply just a word. What if Israel attacked Canada, would America back us? What if the British attacked America, would we back them?


I know what's next, Canada doesn't have any enemies so that would never happen. At this point no, but who knows, if America were to be destroyed somehow, things could very easily change, Canada wouldn't have the world's mightiest military. I don't believe Canada would be Canada too much longer after that.


Why would we need protection? Who would destroy America? What about the EU? Australia? The many African countries with good ties with our country?

Deep



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 04:18 PM
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The shortest distance between Europe and Asia is over the Arctic polar cap, which means that an ICBM attack from those continents would most assuredly pass over Canada.

Now, if Canada can't understand why that is important to us, then I think that pretty much proves that Canada is a hostile nation and is certainly not an ally of the US.

Maybe the answer is for Canada to declare war on the US. Maybe that would solve everything.



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 04:21 PM
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being that canada is part of norad, any threat coming over canadian territory automatically is our responsibility if canada cant handle it, unless you want to violate our defense agreements by denying our access in such a situation as an icbm coming?



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 04:23 PM
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*finishes cleaning the Lee Enfield MarkIV*

*calls his friends at the rez*

*drives the old pickup to the hunt camp*

*waits for the invasion to start*



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 04:29 PM
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Now, if Canada can't understand why that is important to us, then I think that pretty much proves that Canada is a hostile nation and is certainly not an ally of the US.

Maybe the answer is for Canada to declare war on the US. Maybe that would solve everything.


Sure.

This hostile nation is also your largest importer, did you forget that? This hostile nation is also a par of Norad, did you forget that? This hostile nation also fought side by side with Americans during the first and second world wars, did you forget that? This hostile nation spent over 4 million when your president came to visit, just to show that we truely were wholly in respect for Amerians, did you forget that? This hostile nation also has troops in Afghanistan along side American ones, or did you forget that too?

Shall I go on?


....

Deep



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
The shortest distance between Europe and Asia is over the Arctic polar cap, which means that an ICBM attack from those continents would most assuredly pass over Canada.

Now, if Canada can't understand why that is important to us, then I think that pretty much proves that Canada is a hostile nation and is certainly not an ally of the US.

Maybe the answer is for Canada to declare war on the US. Maybe that would solve everything.


There ya go, the American way. If someone doesn't want to play by your rules, FLEX. It's a nobrainer that our country could compete with the American millitary. What you don't understand is that Canadians are damn proud as well. If something like this were to happen, you would have the worst type of terrorist to deal with. One that you can't easily idendify because they look and sound just like you. Mull that over.



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 04:48 PM
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I didn't say the US should declare war on Canada, I said that maybe Canada should declare war on the US, since everyone up there is so hostile to the US. Personally, before I got to ATS and started dealing with computer and internet customer service reps from Canada, I thought y'all were our friends.

Canadians might look like us, but as soon as you speak, it's all over.

[edit on 05/2/26 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I didn't say we should the US should declare war on Canada, I said that maybe Canada should declare war on the US, since everyone up there is so hostile to the US.

Canadians might look like us, but as soon as you speak, it's all over.


What hostillity? Because we don't fall in line with your megelomaniac dictator? You also have us confused with another nation on the North American continent, we don't declare war on a country just because we disagree with them.



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I didn't say the US should declare war on Canada, I said that maybe Canada should declare war on the US, since everyone up there is so hostile to the US. Personally, before I got to ATS and started dealing with computer and internet customer service reps from Canada, I thought y'all were our friends.

Canadians might look like us, but as soon as you speak, it's all over.

[edit on 05/2/26 by GradyPhilpott]


Uhuh.. do not mistake hostility towards policy for hostility towards america as a whole... Remember a very large percentage in your own country do not support this system, maybe they should declare war on thier own gov't too? *sigh* It has been pointed out before that in a M.A.D. situation we are still #ed... This system is meant to protect against "rogue"(
) nation states who "may" decide to launch a few missiles at the USA, it is not meant to protect against Russian ICBMs. Why? Because Russia has the means to easily defeat any system we put up.

Why is this so important to the USA? Is it just a placeabo, to make you feel safer as opposed to actually being safer? Gunboat diplomacy creates more terrorists, if you do not see that then we are just going to repeat this same cycle in another 20-30 years. Doesn't the USA get tired of being almost perpetually at war?

[edit on 26-2-2005 by sardion2000]

[edit on 26-2-2005 by sardion2000]



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 05:06 PM
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Oh. Never mind. I didn't know we were discussing "rouge" nations. Wait a minute. Rouge is French for red. Some Canadians are French. Communsit nations are called "Red." China is communist. Russia can't seem to decide. Hmmm. What's going on here?


















Just kidding!




[edit on 05/2/26 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 05:17 PM
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You guys all crack me up. The contradictions are piling up left and right:

Soficrow the most:

The system wont work, its a money grab by corporations yada yada yada

Yet

Act as if the U.S. is lofting interceptors over Canada a we speak. :shk:
You misleading title implies that the US is already doing this


My favorite:

Canada is now a target because of Bush

Versus

Canada will be painting a target on itself if it participates in the missle system

Okay guys which is it????



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
You guys all crack me up. The contradictions are piling up left and right:
My favorite:
Canada is now a target because of Bush

Versus
Canada will be painting a target on itself if it participates in the missle system

Okay guys which is it????


You make a mistake. Canada is a target because of bush, but an even bigger one with the missile system in place. Simple, no? It's like if two people in a room are together, they're a target. If they're shaking hands, well, they're an even bigger one.

DE




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