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New motion in General Flynn's ordeal - Deals with 302's.

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posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 06:14 PM
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Flynn's lawyers filed a new motion to order the FBI/DOJ to turn over ALL 302's related to this case. This comes on the heels of leaks that came out claiming the 302's were altered, with one of those 302's being backdated by 7-10 months.

Whatever happened that caused the motion apparently (imo) pissed of Judge Sullivan. Not only did he grant the defenses motion he gave the FBI/DOJ 2 days to turn over all relevant information to the court. The court also ordered the DOJ to file is sentencing memorandum by no later than this Friday (same day the 302s are required to be submitted.

There has been speculation recently that Flynn's case might get thrown out because of these 302's and the governments behavior in the case.









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posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 06:25 PM
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The whole 302's thing needs to end. That's one of the biggest loads of BS I ever heard.

When you're interviewed/interrogated by the police, it gets recorded. Not some BS short-hand notes submitted as the only official record.



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
The whole 302's thing needs to end. That's one of the biggest loads of BS I ever heard.

When you're interviewed/interrogated by the police, it gets recorded. Not some BS short-hand notes submitted as the only official record.


Speaking from experience thats not entirely accurate. At my old agency our policies required us to conduct interviews / interrogations in an interview room that records audio and video.In one instance we had a couple of FBI agents show up to interview a guy we had in custody for a case they were working. When I retrieved the prisoner I was escorting him to an interview room the the Agent asked if it was recorded (audio/video). I told him all our interview rooms were at which point he requested we take the individual to a conference room that was not recorded (no audio no video).

Both agents entered and came out some time later. They didnt want anything to be recorded, which I found suspect.



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 06:46 PM
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This is really just now getting good.

If panic hasn’t set in for the corrupt left, they are simply braindead















posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Thanks for the information. But I think that just further reinforces my point.

At no point should it ever be acceptable to speak to law enforcement without legal representation or the conversation at least being recorded.

I have all the respect in the world for LE, I used to train SWAT guys in South Carolina, and worked with FBI quite a bit.
But I don't trust any lawyers as far as I can throw them. You need all the means at your disposal to fend off overzealous prosecutors.



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 06:57 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Is this the same judge that ordered the FBI to turn over documents to Flynn’s lawyers even though he pleaded guilty?



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 06:59 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

I think that's his point. It should be standard procedure to record, yet their standard seems to be not to.



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 07:06 PM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
The whole 302's thing needs to end. That's one of the biggest loads of BS I ever heard.


Wait until you see how the Obama Administration worked with members of Congress and the Mainstream Media to break national and international laws. The "302's" are 1 aspect of a 4-part crime, committed at the highest levels of at least 3 governments. (USA /UK/AUS)

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posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 07:15 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

Oh, I know about that.

But it really bothers me that this 302 nonsense is standard practice and no one seems to be concerned or even talking about it.



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: carewemust

Oh, I know about that.

But it really bothers me that this 302 nonsense is standard practice and no one seems to be concerned or even talking about it.


What really bothers me is (quoting from memory) the FBI agents just called Flynn, who thought it was a routine national security matter. Since he was National Security Advisor at the time, he thought it was something they wanted to clear up. Then when they show up at his office, they TELL him that having a lawyer present would just make things take longer.

They should have called White House Council, not Flynn directly.

Which is the actual protocol.

They interviewed him in January.

The 302 was filed in AUGUST.

That, and Comey this weekend was bragging that he set the interview up that way because he knew he could take advantage of the new transition team and he never could have done that with the Obama or Bush administration.

The whole thing reeks of setup.


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Edited to add, something always bothered me about the whole thing and I heard today what it was.

Flynn was National Security advisor.

He KNEW that any conversations from Russian personnel would be recorded and then transcribed.

That is standard procedure, after all.

So since he knew the call was recorded, why on earth would he lie about it?

Makes no sense.
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posted on Dec, 13 2018 @ 02:51 AM
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originally posted by: buckwhizzle
a reply to: Xcathdra

Is this the same judge that ordered the FBI to turn over documents to Flynn’s lawyers even though he pleaded guilty?



Yup - the very same.

Judge Ellison apparently has a track record of going after the government when they act like no talent ass clowns. He is also know for going after government corruption.

Some more info -
Michael Flynn Judge Seeks Review Of Key FBI Notes Before Sentencing Decision


The judge presiding over the Michael Flynn case is ordering a review of key FBI documents before deciding on a sentence for the former national security adviser.

Judge Emmet Sullivan wants to review a memo put together on Jan. 24, 2017 by former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. He also wants to look at FBI notes from that interview.

Flynn’s lawyers revealed Tuesday that McCabe wrote he urged Flynn to meet with FBI agents without an attorney because it would be the “quickest” way to complete the meeting.




Sullivan’s interest in the documents appears to have been spurred by claims that Flynn’s lawyers made in a court filing submitted Tuesday night.

Pointing to the McCabe memo, they noted that McCabe nudged Flynn toward meeting with the two FBI agents without an attorney present. He wrote that he told Flynn that a two-on-one meeting would be the “quickest” option.

Flynn agreed and said he did not need to involve White House lawyers.

McCabe also wrote in the memo that he and other FBI officials decided before the meeting that Flynn would not be warned ahead of the interview about the penalties of lying to the agents. McCabe noted that “they wanted Flynn to be relaxed” and “were concerned that giving the warnings might adversely affect the rapport.”

Flynn’s lawyers said in Tuesday’s filing that he accepts responsibility for lying to the agents, though it is clear from the document that Flynn takes issue with how his FBI interview came about.


click link for article

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posted on Dec, 13 2018 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Yep, this judge is the same one who dismissed Senator Ted Stevens case due to government tampering with 302s. He's all for slamming the corruption of the federal government.



posted on Dec, 13 2018 @ 11:28 AM
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Yeah, the judge must suspect this whole think stinks. It wouldn't surprise me if he lets Flynn walk.



posted on Dec, 13 2018 @ 12:08 PM
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FBI looking even worse today as new revelations come out. They tricked Flynn by intentionally not telling him they were having an "official" interview when chatting with him at the White House. That is how they were able to get this "lying" charge. Even though McCabe and two other agents are on record saying they did not think he was lying. Anyhow, if it had been correctly done as an official interview none of this circus would have happened.



posted on Dec, 13 2018 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: jjkenobi
FBI looking even worse today as new revelations come out. They tricked Flynn by intentionally not telling him they were having an "official" interview when chatting with him at the White House. That is how they were able to get this "lying" charge. Even though McCabe and two other agents are on record saying they did not think he was lying. Anyhow, if it had been correctly done as an official interview none of this circus would have happened.

yep
comey admitted this was blatently going after trump
www.foxnews.com...


Comey admits decision to send FBI agents to interview Flynn was not standard

this guy should have to do some time



Asked to describe how two FBI agents ended up at the White House to interview Flynn in January 2017, Comey, speaking to MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace during a forum discussion Sunday, said flatly: “I sent them.”

that is interesting
"I sent them"
gee that adds some color to the one on ones with POTUS does it not?
comey was out to get trump from the get go



Comey went on to acknowledge the way the interview was set up – not through the White House counsel’s office, but arranged directly with Flynn – was not standard practice. He called it “something I probably wouldn't have done or maybe gotten away with in a more … organized administration.”

"or gotten away with"
interesting choice of language from someone who is so careful with their words
law enforcement should always get as much as they can have "gotten away with"
they don't have a responsibility to uphold the law or anything

seems trump has been proven right
this has been no more than and continues to be a witch hunt



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posted on Dec, 13 2018 @ 01:41 PM
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Oh noes
Comey sent the fbi to the white house on his orders
Comey has admitted such
now we get this
saraacarter.com...


“These agents went in the White House and had a case with a possible witness of his stature and didn’t write it up until almost eight months later? That is is unconscionable – it’s not fair to the defendant and absolutely goes against FBI policy.”


if comey himself sent the agents why did the official reprt not get written until EIGHT MONTHS LATER??????
comey has to either be on a personal vendetta to get trump or the most incompetent fbi agent ever


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posted on Dec, 13 2018 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra


I think it probably time for Trump to bring in the military and do a forceable accountability procedure to the alphabet agencies. They are corrupted and something must be done.



posted on Dec, 13 2018 @ 11:52 PM
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originally posted by: highvein
a reply to: Xcathdra


I think it probably time for Trump to bring in the military and do a forceable accountability procedure to the alphabet agencies. They are corrupted and something must be done.

That wouldn't be the worst idea put forward in the last 2 years







 
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