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There is only one thing you need for a middle class

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posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 10:33 PM
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That is a lower class

This should be common sense.

There will always be a rich and powerful class. So the only way to have a middle class is....you need a lower class. If you don’t have income inequality between the middle and lower class, all you have is one big lower class. This is part of the reason the yellow vest crowd is marching. By time the middle class pays all of their taxes, they are as equally, or sometimes, more poor then the lower class. That’s called socialism boys and girls, and it equals the playing field....equally poor




posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson

There will always be an UPPER and a lower class. To maintain a middle class now that's a whole nother set of complications, all too easily toppled.



posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 10:37 PM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson

What if I told you that the middle class has always been a misnomer?






posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 10:43 PM
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There is always some one worse off than you. Rejoice!

But what about the last guy?


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posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 10:44 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Are you saying life is one big ponzi?





posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 10:46 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

Fixed the link.
(You can skip to 2:00 if you want to skip some funny stuff.)



posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 10:54 PM
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a reply to: JinMI
What if I told you that the middle class has always existed, before the idea of Capital was the twinkle in the eye of economists?

Historically the middle class has been the warrior class and the go between that naturally arise as power brokers when ever a natural leader arises. They have always functioned as peace keepers and negotiators between leaders and followers, and the larger a society becomes, the more needed they are to maintain order... yes even in actual communist or socialist communities.



posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 10:55 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Alot of times, those without are more charitable than those with...







posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 10:56 PM
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a reply to: dubiousatworst

Kind of like a working class? Like providers and defenders?




posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 11:02 PM
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Gotta ask, where does an elevator constructor, blue collar worker rate in the classes making 3 figures?



posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 11:08 PM
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a reply to: Groot

In Hawaii.

Wages + Fringes = $90/hr

labor.hawaii.gov...



posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 11:24 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
There is always some one worse off than you. Rejoice!

But what about the last guy?



Just remember this...
You can get anything you want, at Alices restaurant.
Walk right in, its around the back, just a quarter mile down the railroad track....

I didn't get anything near to 90 bucks an hour, when I lived on Maui.
I had a good time though. I used to hang out with Kenneth R Niezman. I have a painting he did for me, and 2 t shirts he made me before he died. He was an awesome guy. Picasso of the Pacific
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posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 11:26 PM
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a reply to: visitedbythem

I guess you weren't an elevator constructor.



posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 11:27 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Groot

In Hawaii.

Wages + Fringes = $90/hr

labor.hawaii.gov...


Yep, cost of living is too high. For what I make, I could live in a shack on one of the islands in the cane fields, or live in a mansion in the states.

Besides, not crazy about spam sammiches.




posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 11:30 PM
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I could live in a shack on one of the islands in the cane fields, or live in a mansion in the states.

No more cane fields.

But on the mainland you can die of hypothermia. And there's bears and snakes and poison oak.

I don't need no mansion.


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posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 11:40 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Groot




I could live in a shack on one of the islands in the cane fields, or live in a mansion in the states.

No more cane fields.

But on the mainland you can die of hypothermia. And there's bears and snakes and poison oak.

I don't need no mansion.



Yeah, I don't want a mansion , just a cabin in the woods. With a lot of guns for those critters. Damn wife would make a casserole out of them. LOL !




posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 11:51 PM
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a reply to: Groot

Fishing rod works for me.
Crab trap.

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posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 12:41 AM
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originally posted by: SocratesJohnson

If you don’t have income inequality between the middle and lower class, all you have is one big lower class.




That's not true; we'd still have people earning different wages depending upon their skills. Are you postulating that an incompetent or unskilled worker deserves the same or higher wages than that of a highly skilled and competent worker? As an example, should a Wal-Mart greeter earn the same as a Nuclear Physicist? What if the worker has disabilities preventing them from operating at a desirable level? A rational mind would say no however, I do think there should be a reasonable base pay depending upon how profitable a company is. What most people don't understand, is that wages are based upon how much value the worker brings into the company; that is, how much revenue is generated by the employee.

Our main issue is the way our money is valued. It has value by "good faith and trust in the government," also know as fiat currency. It has the same effective range of "hopes and dreams." When our currency was based on a tangible asset, i.e. gold and silver, it retained a higher value. Under our fiat system of debts and credits, it doesn't. Furthermore, our government has to purchase the money we use from the Federal Reserve which leads to inflation, whereas before, it was produced BY our government which provided a means to control inflation.



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 12:44 AM
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When our currency was based on a tangible asset, i.e. gold and silver, it retained a higher value.

How much gold and silver is available?
At $32/oz, how many dollars would be available? There's a lot more people (and government) now than there was then.
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posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 01:49 AM
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originally posted by: SocratesJohnson
That is a lower class

This should be common sense.

There will always be a rich and powerful class. So the only way to have a middle class is....you need a lower class. If you don’t have income inequality between the middle and lower class, all you have is one big lower class. This is part of the reason the yellow vest crowd is marching. By time the middle class pays all of their taxes, they are as equally, or sometimes, more poor then the lower class. That’s called socialism boys and girls, and it equals the playing field....equally poor



If people feel they are the only ones paying tax and everybody else is living off their tax, then instead of putting labels on it why not put more effort into making the rich pay more tax???????

Do such people think the rich should be exempt from tax?

Why not put the tax return industry out of business overnight by taxing business turnover and not profits? Not only would that put the tax return industry out of business but it also make assessing business tax very simple.

It seems that some would like to do away with welfare for individuals> Why then do they also not publicly advocate to eliminate corporate welfare? Is it because they have never heard of corporate welfare which is because the man or lady of TV has not told them about corporate welfare therefore they don't know about?

Why critize welfare for individuals only? Might it be because the lady or the man on TV has only taught them to hate welfare for individuals only?



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