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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: ketsuko
Working for less than minimum wage to survive?
Where can you survive on 10-12-13 an hour ???
originally posted by: amazing
These lower wage jobs, are starter jobs and part time jobs. Historically it's always been that way and with hard work and studying you move up and over to better jobs.
Example. Pizza hut...part time minumum wage...work hard..get to full time or just below full time. Not really enough to live on. Work harder study every manual they have there and become an expert, get shift manager. Now your above minimum wage...almost make a living....work even harder...make it to assitant manager. Now your salary, benefits and can live off of that wage.
Once you've got some experience...you can move laterally to another industry as a manager making even more money. Say a call center...then at the call center to the IT department....then from help desk 1 to help desk 2...keep going to sys admin or move latterally to a different industry.
That's how it's done. You don't raise the money the pizza hut cook/dishwaher is making. Then there is no incentive to move up and work harder...and then all the entry level cook/dishwasher jobs are taken by the older generation...creating a situation where there are no entry level jobs.
Using the restaraunt example...managers must use labor cost based on historical data to plan how many people will work a shift. If you are paying out more wages then you're making, you have to cut out some people. That creates a skeleton crew of stressed out people. Say 3 people working a busy shift...one at the counter, second one cooking and the third one floating to wherever they're needed. Doing the job of 6 people.
All you do when you raise the minumum wage is cut out 3 jobs and make people hate their jobs.
here's what I think would wake you up, everyone who works in the supply chain should go on strike and refuse to work for less than $25 an hour.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: toysforadults
Imagine not being able to find a job at minimum and needing money to make ends meet, so you work at what you can because you don't want to stoop to welfare.
Those people exist you know. In fact, quite a few of the illegal aliens in this country do this although many have kids who do collect full benefits from welfare so they double dip.
originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Xtrozero
does it take you 40+ hours to mow my lawn?
you see how your argument doesn't make any sense?
In addition, the laws also created a black market.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Vector99
First off In-N-Out isn't a great example for your point. Starting employees make $13 an hour. $2 higher than California minimum wage.
Ignoring that though, In-N-Out employs 16,000 people but only has 342 locations. So even if all of those employees were extreme go-getters there are only 342 GM positions. Should the other 15,658 employees quit and move to another company that pays less so they have the prospect of becoming GM? What happens when all those GM positions are taken up?
It's all well and good to say people in low paying jobs should strive for promotions. But there are only so many promotions to be handed out. Should we condemn all those people that worked just as hard as the person that got promoted but got passed over to poverty?