Comey: Dossier Was Unverified Before And After FBI Used It To Obtain Spy Warrants

From a group of REAL journalists who are rarely wrong..

THIS: twitter.com...

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: Irishhaf

Right, this backs up what I was saying to Ketsuko, which is that it isn’t just about sex in either case.

As far as the FISA warrant goes, my opinion is that it had other evidence besides the dossier to go on, and that the FISA court was told accurately about the dossier’s veracity and its origins as far as they knew.

So you are claiming the fisa court was told Hillary’s team paid for the dossier and it was unverified?

I have not seen that alleged anywhere, and await your source claiming that

I am almost certain that the Dems who have seen the document would have claimed that although the fbi used the dossier for the fisa application they admitted it was unverified

But sure, I will read your source on that

If you "have not seen that alleged anywhere", then you are simply not looking anywhere.

It is the story, the only story, from the beginning. THE VERY BEGINNING.

The FISA application specifically noted that the 'dossier' was begun at the behest of, and paid for by the anti-Trump Republican candidates. When Trump secured the nomination, the Democrats were happy to take it on. It was, therefore paid for in part by BOTH Republicans and Democrats.

All testimony about the FISA application has repeated this story. And all testimony about the FISA application has pointed out that the court was apprised of that partisan provenance. The FBI are professionals and they know better than to lie by omission to the court. Every witness has testified to this fact, every time it has come up.

It is not a matter of 'you guys' claiming this happened. It is a matter of the FBI, testifying to this under oath.

Furthermore: the redacted FISA application is available online here : vault.fbi.gov...

A quick scan (which is easy because so much text is blacked out) reveals this tidbit on page 309:

The identified U.S. person never advised Source #1 as to the motivation behind the research into Candidate #1's ties to Russia. The FBI speculates that the identified U.S. person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1's campaign.

That is DIRECTLY from the FISA application. It is PROOF that the FBI informed the court that the information could be partisan biased.

So again, it is not a matter of 'you guys' claiming this happened. It is a matter of reading the bleeping thing.


Edit: Not only but also, I refer you to DarkBake's excellent response a few posts above.

Makes watergate look like a lark.
And the msm... Crickets.

Because they are traitors.

a reply to: Grambler

You know what I don't get, why was the russia dossier used for a warrant against carter page? I mean, wasn't he helping the FBI bust russians like two months before they claim he was now working as an intermediary for trump and russia? It seems you shouldn't need the dossier to get a warrant on page as you know he had russian contacts and could easily just say you think he may have turned to a double agent. Yet they felt the need to make it up about page.

a reply to: Grambler

No candidates that the intel community doesn’t like will be tolerated

That's the message the intel community is trying to send.

a reply to: rnaa

So your own post shows the fbi did not tell the court Hillary’s team paid for it

Nor does it say anywhere that the fbi admits it was unverified

Also you don’t even have base facts we know correct

The republicans paying for oppo research stopped before the dossier was even started or Steele was hired

Yet here you repeat that lie

Oh and eta:

I love how on one hand people are saying the fbi was forthright that the dossier was not verified

But in the other hand they are saying the redacted portions verify the dossier

Because you are just parroting the msm which is notninterested in the truth or consistency but rather being the mouth piece for the intel community

a reply to: darkbake

The first section of your post says the court was informed enough to know Hillary paid for the dossier

This is not true

Why would the fbi not be totally forthcoming

Dying it came from someone looking for dirt on trump is not the same as saying it came from his opponent for president

It also never discloses Steele’s public hatred of trump

The second part says that fisa was not central to the Russia investigation, that was Papadopoulos

I have showed on previous threads in why openiytje case on Papadopoulos was a sham

Aside from that, Papadopoulos story is irrelevant to the fisa warrant to spy on page.

We know the dossier was a large of not most important part of that

Is your claim it doesn’t matter if the dossier was unverified and used to spy on trumps team because Papadopoulos made drunken comments? That seems absurd

The third point your sources make is that the fisa warrants interacted portions show enough to justify a wiretap

That is absurd and would set the standard any unverified oppo piece is resin enough to spy on anyone

Let’s see how the daily beast feels when trumo does that

The fourth point is that the redacted portions verify parts of the dossier

Sorry, I will take comeys testimony under oath over a msm outlet that hasn’t even seen the redacted info

originally posted by: pirhanna
Makes watergate look like a lark.
And the msm... Crickets.

Because they are traitors.

This is the sad reality. The media is doing their best baghdad bob impression.

a reply to: Grambler

Comey: Dossier Was Unverified Before And After FBI Used It To Obtain Spy Warrants

If the "Steele Dossier" was verified, wouldn't the FBI have been asking for arrest warrants, not surveillance warrants?

Some useful information about us citizens and fisa warrants
The chuckleheads at the fbi could have spied on the foriegners all the live long day with out ANY warrants as they are foreigners.
To use the full force of the us intelligence community on an american citizen the rules are different and quite stringent. Probable cause is not enough, there has to be actual evidence that a crime HAS been committed not may or could have.
The fbi screwed the pooch on this one as they though hillary would win and no one would notice.

www.nationalreview.com...

To get a surveillance warrant under FISA (i.e., the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, as codified at Title 50, U.S. Code, Sections 1801 et seq.), the FBI and the Justice Department must establish probable cause that the person to be monitored under the warrant is acting as an active, purposeful agent of a foreign power — not that the foreign power hopes to turn him into such an agent. FISA defines “agent of a foreign power” — as that term is applicable to “U.S. persons” (i.e., American citizens and permanent-resident aliens) — as a person who:
(A) knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of a foreign power, which activities involve or may involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;
(B) pursuant to the direction of an intelligence service or network of a foreign power, knowingly engages in any other clandestine intelligence activities for or on behalf of such foreign power, which activities involve or are about to involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;
(C) knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism, or activities that are in preparation therefor, for or on behalf of a foreign power;
(D) knowingly enters the United States under a false or fraudulent identity for or on behalf of a foreign power or, while in the United States, knowingly assumes a false or fraudulent identity for or on behalf of a foreign power;
or (E) knowingly aids or abets any person in the conduct of activities described in subparagraph (A), (B), or (C) or knowingly conspires with any person to engage in activities described in subparagraph (A), (B), or (C). (See Section 1801(b)(2)(A)-(E), emphasis added.)

originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: Grambler

Comey: Dossier Was Unverified Before And After FBI Used It To Obtain Spy Warrants

If the "Steele Dossier" was verified, wouldn't the FBI have been asking for arrest warrants, not surveillance warrants?

No

They would be seeking warrants to get even more evidence of crimes

Otherwise this is what you are supporting

Police are now allowed to raid your home spy on you etc. based off of claims made by people that don’t like you that the police can’t confirm

Quite the legal system we shall have

“A guy told us extorris is a Russian spy. We are not able to confirm any of these claims, but let’s wiretap him just to make sure”

Funny how the fbi only seems to apply that standard to people they don’t like, and didn’t feel the need to apply that standard to wiretap people connected to Hillary that had been accused of crimes with foreign people

a reply to: Grambler
Listen all !! The globalists have the money. They control 70-80% of the media. The elite all attend the Bilderberg conference. As more and more evidence comes to light that incriminate the Democrats and some Republicans NOTHING AND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. We have a low level billionaire President, whom I support, against higher level billionaires and trillionaires. They will constantly change the bar in their favor and FLOOD THE SHEEPLE with their bought and paid for media. The talking head journalists, laughable as journalists, get their orders cause they love the MONEY.
Now the Globalists are Marxists in nature. Sure they love it cause they rule or are the politburo. We the proletariat get crapped on and lied to daily. They laugh as they sip their wine, eat the best ORGANIC FOOD, and smoke the best cigars. Personally I see no hope. All we get is Q stories and more promises. The carrot is continuously dangled in front of the horse. All we have is hope and prayer. So take a brake, kiss your wife or husband, and have a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HEALTHY NEW YEAR!!!

a reply to: Ansuzrune

So take a brake, kiss your wife or husband, and have a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HEALTHY NEW YEAR!!!

great advice
happy holiday to you!

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: Grambler

Comey: Dossier Was Unverified Before And After FBI Used It To Obtain Spy Warrants

If the "Steele Dossier" was verified, wouldn't the FBI have been asking for arrest warrants, not surveillance warrants?

No

They would be seeking warrants to get even more evidence of crimes

Otherwise this is what you are supporting

Police are now allowed to raid your home spy on you etc. based off of claims made by people that don’t like you that the police can’t confirm

Police conduct surveillance on suspects all the time in the course of investigations.
Surveillance Warrants require "Probable Cause"
If that evidence had been verified, they would have been asking for arrest warrants.

Approval of a FISA application requires the court find probable cause that the target of the surveillance be a "foreign power" or an "agent of a foreign power"

en.wikipedia.org...

In the context of warrants, the Oxford Companion to American Law defines probable cause as "information sufficient to warrant a prudent person's belief that the wanted individual had committed a crime (for an arrest warrant)

or that evidence of a crime or contraband would be found in a search (for a search warrant)".

"Probable cause" is a stronger standard of evidence than a reasonable suspicion, but weaker than what is required to secure a criminal conviction.

Even hearsay can supply probable cause if it is from a reliable source or supported by other evidence, according to the Aguilar–Spinelli test

en.wikipedia.org...

My understanding was that the Steele Dossier was only one piece of evidence included in a 400 page plus document (other evidence) and that Christopher Steele had a long and prominent career at MI6 and would have been considered a reliable source.

Steele was recruited by MI6 directly following his graduation from Cambridge, working in London at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) from 1987 to 1989.[4] From 1990 to 1993, Steele worked under diplomatic cover as an MI6 agent in Moscow, serving at the Embassy of the United Kingdom in Moscow.[1][8][10] Steele was an "internal traveller", visiting newly-accessible cities such as Samara and Kazan.[5][11][12]

He returned to London in 1993, working again at the FCO until his posting with the British Embassy in Paris in 1998, where he served under diplomatic cover until 2002. But Steele's identity as an MI6 officer and a hundred and sixteen other British spies had their cover blown by an anonymously published list that Her Majesty's Government attempted to suppress through a DSMA-Notice in 1999.[1][10][13][14][15]

In 2003, Steele was sent to Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan as part of an MI6 team, briefing Special Forces on "kill or capture" missions for Taliban targets, and also spent time teaching new MI6 recruits.[10] Steele returned to London and between 2006 and 2009 he headed the Russia Desk at MI6.[1][5][8][16]

Steele's expertise on Russia remained valued, and he served as a senior officer under John Scarlett, Chief of the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), from 2004 to 2009.[16] Steele was selected as case officer for Alexander Litvinenko and participated in the investigation of the Litvinenko poisoning in 2006.[10] It was Steele who quickly realised that Litvinenko's death "was a Russian state 'hit'".[16] Twelve years later he allegedly was included himself into a hit list of the Russian Federal Security Service, along with Sergei Skripal who was poisoned in 2018 by a binary chemical weapon Novichok in Britain.[17]

Since 2009 Steele has not been to Russia, or visited any former Soviet states and in 2012, an Orbis informant quoted an FSB-agent describing him as an "enemy of Mother Russia".[1] Steele has refrained from travelling to the United States since his identity became public, citing the political and legal situation.[18]

en.wikipedia.org...


"hearsay can supply probable cause if it is from a reliable source or supported by other evidence"

Both of those standards appear to have been met in the FISA application's inclusion of the Steele Dossier.

My understanding was that the Steele Dossier was only one piece of evidence included in a 400 page plus document (other evidence) and that Christopher Steele had a long and prominent career at MI6 and would have been considered a reliable source.

The fbi fired steele as an informant prior to using his dossier in the fisa court.
really reliable?

a reply to: Extorris

No, it would lead to investigations to build a case on a specific crime.

Otherwise we can spy on any one any time to catch them.

That's illegal.

a reply to: Grambler

Comey's testimony proves one of two things.

1. He's a liar.
2. He's stupid.

I don't think Comey is stupid.

a reply to: Extorris

The other evidence seems to trace back to FBI leaks creating independent evidence where none existed. Steele was fired, how is that a reliable source?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Extorris

The other evidence seems to trace back to FBI leaks creating independent evidence where none existed. Steele was fired, how is that a reliable source?

I would have to research, but I believe the other evidence included previous contacts with convicted FSB agents in the USA where he offered to provide documents and meeting with Russian Government figures while traveling to Russia in 2016 that he publicly denied, and those would just be two items I remember and that are known publicly, the actual evidence contained in the FISA warrant has not been made public.

Agree totally with you op if our Congress doesn't do anything with this blatant sedition of our election process then; The House, and Senate might as well go home as we are now in a totalitarian system