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Who will be next UK Prime Minister, when and how?

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posted on Dec, 13 2018 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
All true but what on earth is the official Labour line on Brexit?


The apparent official Labour line is to say nothing, attempt to destabilise and pretend they can do better. Corbyn has traditionally been anti-EU, but what Labour MPs fear is their traditional supporters who want Brexit, even if the MPs don't.

The working class have seen jobs taken, and wages reduced and depressed by immigrants from the EU, yet the Labour Party MPs say they support the working class AND the EU. It's good MPs should fear the ballot box.
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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 01:52 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

I've said this before and I'll say it again no doubt because it seems to go unnoticed or maybe nobody has an answer to it but the vast majority of jobs our Eastern European friends do are jobs out countries people feel are beneath them, Farmhand, Fruit/Veg picking, Production Lines, Cleaning, Fish Factory worker, and all the manual labour jobs. That's not to say that Johnny and Jane Foreigner aren't doing other jobs like Nurse, IT Engineer, Plumber, Stone Mason, Secirtiy Guard atc (I'm speaking from experience of my foreign friends here) but these are people who have worked hard to get these jobs and they face the same challenges as UK born applicants, as it should be.

Not only that but think of all the income tax we lose from those thousands and thousands of workers not working anymore.

There are certain industries in certain parts of the country are really, really going to suffer because of this.

I will stand shoulder to shoulder with Brexiteers protesting the failure in Democracy if we remain in the EU, even if every ounce of my being can see how it's going to hurt the country for a long time to come...



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 02:20 AM
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originally posted by: djz3ro
I've said this before and I'll say it again no doubt because it seems to go unnoticed or maybe nobody has an answer to it but the vast majority of jobs our Eastern European friends do are jobs out countries people feel are beneath them, Farmhand, Fruit/Veg picking, Production Lines, Cleaning, Fish Factory worker, and all the manual labour jobs.


No, this does not go un-noticed. What has happened is that the influx of cheap labour has kept wages for the above professions low and been a convenient way for companies to avoid investment in new plant and technology. Low wages at the bottom, cascade across the whole economy. In a nutshell...

1. Why bother raising wages when people from ABC will work for peanuts, and
2. Why bother investing in a new machine when people from ABC cost less.

For example, in agriculture (a field I am familiar with) machines to pick fruit exist, but farmer don't invest in such because of the ready supply of cheap labour.
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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 06:16 AM
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a reply to: paraphi



The apparent official Labour line is to say nothing, attempt to destabilise and pretend they can do better.


Labour lack substance on most of their policies and the shambles that is Brexit has revealed Labour as the weakest and most impotent Opposition I've seen in my life.

As carpy has repeatedly pointed out, they don't have anything that even vaguely resembles a coherent official party line on Brexit.

They can be relied upon to supply the usual inane insults, catcalling and predictable party politics that embarrasses us all in The Commons yet it should be to their eternal shame that they offer no viable alternative to the worst government I could ever imagine this country having.

It is a truly appalling situation and further proof that party politics has outlived its fit for purpose.



Corbyn has traditionally been anti-EU,.....


Corbyn was a quite outspoken critic of the EU and passionately advocated leaving when he was on the backbenches.
The minute he was declared leader of The Labour Party he flipped.....so much for his convictions!



..... but what Labour MPs fear is their traditional supporters who want Brexit, even if the MPs don't


The last thing Labour want to do is represent the wishes of its traditional core voters who they take for granted and treat with utter contempt.



The working class have seen jobs taken, and wages reduced and depressed by immigrants from the EU,....


No-one bothers to even try to represent the working class of this country any more.
They've been treat absolutely appallingly from Thatcher's time onwards....history teaches us the same applies to well before that but I have no first hand experience of then, well at least none that I can remember.



.....yet the Labour Party MPs say they support the working class AND the EU.


Tony Blair put an end to all pretence of wanting to represent the working class....its all about the middle-classes, intelligentsia, the PC Brigade and hipsters and millennials.....pathetic.



It's good MPs should fear the ballot box.


Indeed....and the wrath of the people.


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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 06:40 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn
Corbyn is a slimy weasel who I wouldn't trust minding my pint at the pub when I went for a piss.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 06:45 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Nail hit right on head.



Saying that, I doubt you'll ever find Corbyn in a pub.....he's a tea-total veggie who even thinks after work drinks 'discriminate against women'......the man is a complete and total arse and is as removed from ordinary, everyday people as Cameron and Gideon were.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 06:52 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn
After work drinks discriminate against women lmfao, when I worked a suit job after work drinks were how we all kept our sanity, male and female!
Corbyn is a prick in my opinion.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 07:19 AM
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Interestingly, the NI Backstop is precisely what Corbyn's Labour Party should be pushing for, as it's a step towards Irish unification, a cause Corbyn supports.

I wonder if Labour Party MPs are silent is because they are more concerned by the threat of de-selection under the Lunatic Left. This is a process that has started to happen, so watch out for the quiet take-over.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 07:39 AM
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originally posted by: Flavian

originally posted by: ganjoa

the EU invades Macron's France....

ganjoa


No. Nearly all French political figures (past and present in the modern era) have been to the Paris Institute of Political Studies. It is almost a pre requisite to French political life to belong to the bourgouis elite, whether left, right or centre.

In essence, they all sing from the same hymn book.


I'm confused at "No".
So you're saying this isn't a new trend (the consolidation of power aspect)?
Or that these protests are about class inequality, historical and current?
Or there's no complicity among the leaders of the primary EU countries?
Please explain, I am seriously NOT trying to be difficult or feign stupidity for a reaction.
Thanks.

ganjoa



posted on Dec, 15 2018 @ 05:37 PM
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posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 06:06 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

£200 Billion on nuclear warheads? Where does that figure come from? Over what period - 40 years or so? Assume you mean the cost of the subs too. Have a reality check:

BBC: Cost of Trident Renewal



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 06:13 AM
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a reply to: oldcarpy
He does like his drama queen memes lol.
I'd scrap Trident though as well, so I agree with him on that, if Russia nuked us I wouldn't want UK missiles killing millions of innocent Russian people tit for tat. Russia isn't nuking anyone any time soon though, most of their dirty money is tied up in London.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 06:30 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

The replacement for Trident is set to last for 40 odd years - who knows what new threats might emerge during all that time? i would rather keep our deterrent.

Back on topic - if we had no nukes, Russia could threaten us with conventional forces and our next PM? Mr V Putin. Or his puppet, Comrade Steptoe.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 06:39 AM
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a reply to: oldcarpy
Good points mate, I just struggle with the thought of killing millions of people on my tax coin.
Conventional force the Royal Navy would kick the arse of the Russian navy, theirs is awfully under resourced.
Lmao at Steptoe, the scruffy bastard reminds me of Michael Foot.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 06:45 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
£200 Billion on nuclear warheads? Where does that figure come from? Over what period - 40 years or so? Assume you mean the cost of the subs too. Have a reality check.


CND is who is touting the £200 billion cost of Trident. I think that's an impartial source, eh?

Nuclear weapons does two things for the UK. It provides independent world-end capability AND a seat at the top table. It'll be interesting to see what happens to the French nuclear arsenal with their push to merge EU.

Here's the rub. If Corbyn gets in as the next PM will he scrap, or slow Trident. He is a member of CND and has previously said that he'll scrap Trident. Oh Lordie.

I



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 06:49 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

I thought he wanted to build the new subs but not arm them with nukes? I think its the subs that are so very costly that and the cost of running them.

If JC gets in, I wonder what his foreign policy would be towards Russia?



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

How can any person who publicly supported IRA terrorists whilst at the same time demonising our own Armed Forces be allowed to be in charge of the security of this nation?

Having Trident submarines without nuclear weapons would be like having an Uzi shooting Nerf pellets.

We need our independent nuclear weapons because we are independent and don't want to rely on anyone else for the defence of this realm apart from ourselves....who knows what the future holds?



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 08:50 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

Agreed, and don't forget that the Shadow Chancellor was a fellow traveller of his when it came to the IRA.

What has happened to the Labour Party? It has been hijacked by the far left. It seems that the Militant Tendency never went away and the Labour Party is more like a Student Union.

We need an effective Opposition but what we have is a joke.



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 08:54 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy

What has happened to the Labour Party? It has been hijacked by the far left.


It started in the late 70's and 1980's. Despite unpopular Tory Governments they couldn't get near power. High profile Labour groups (Fabian society, etc) changed tack and started getting sympathisers in high profile positions (law, media, etc). These days, those people dominate in those industries so the agenda is pushed far more, meaning more exposure and popularity. Quite a sensible move on their part!



posted on Dec, 17 2018 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

The Labour Party have abandoned the working class and its traditional values and have swapped them for some sort of amalgamated bastardisation of the worst of Militant Tendency allied with the worst of Champagne Socialist inspired political correctness.
It has produced a group of arrogant, sanctimonious do-gooders who condescendingly sneer at the very people they used to aspire to represent.

Their arrogance and contempt for the British people is only matched by their counter-parts in The Tory Party.

We have a political elite who are as far removed from the British public as anyone could possibly be.

We currently have the worst Government I can recall or am aware of who are hanging on to power due to the complete unfit for purpose and crappest Opposition one could ever imagine.

A truly appalling situation and a damning indictment of our political procedures and society.



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