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Supreme Court deals blow to two states' attempts to cut Planned Parenthood funding

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posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:27 PM
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In February, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals concluded that states have broad – but not unlimited – authority to regulate Medicaid healthcare providers. "States may not terminate providers from their Medicaid program for any reason they see fit," the court said in its majority opinion, "especially when that reason is unrelated to the provider’s competence and the quality of the healthcare it provides."


Three of the court's conservatives – Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch- said the court should have taken up the issue. John Roberts and Brett Kavanaugh did not agree.

I'm quite happy with this. One, I agree that a state shouldn't be able to terminate Medicaid health care for any reason they see fit. Especially since these laws seem to have been enacted after the videos surfaced of Planned Parenthood selling fetus tissue, which turned out later to be wildly disproven. Two, the now conservative leaning Supreme Court did not make this about abortion simply because Planned Parenthood was involved. Specially Kavanaugh. There was a lot of concern he was being nominated for the sole purpose of reversing Roe v. Wade (which I don't even understand how that is a question in 2018). That is why Trump could not simply "pick a different conservative" when the sexual accusations came out. It seems to me if he was, he would vote to stir up trouble for Planned Parenthood no matter what the cause.

Either way, nice to see some bi-partisanship voting these days.




posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: headorheart
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In February, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals concluded that states have broad – but not unlimited – authority to regulate Medicaid healthcare providers. "States may not terminate providers from their Medicaid program for any reason they see fit," the court said in its majority opinion, "especially when that reason is unrelated to the provider’s competence and the quality of the healthcare it provides."


Three of the court's conservatives – Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch- said the court should have taken up the issue. John Roberts and Brett Kavanaugh did not agree.

I'm quite happy with this. One, I agree that a state shouldn't be able to terminate Medicaid health care for any reason they see fit. Especially since these laws seem to have been enacted after the videos surfaced of Planned Parenthood selling fetus tissue, which turned out later to be wildly disproven. Two, the now conservative leaning Supreme Court did not make this about abortion simply because Planned Parenthood was involved. Specially Kavanaugh. There was a lot of concern he was being nominated for the sole purpose of reversing Roe v. Wade (which I don't even understand how that is a question in 2018). That is why Trump could not simply "pick a different conservative" when the sexual accusations came out. It seems to me if he was, he would vote to stir up trouble for Planned Parenthood no matter what the cause.

Either way, nice to see some bi-partisanship voting these days.


So you like tax payer funded murder of innocence. Got it.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:37 PM
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1. This is not about abortion.
2. Abortions are not federally funded.
3. Not all abortions are strictly murdering of the innocence.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: headorheart

Get congress to pass actual legislation and the roe v wade will be over.
Actual laws aren't that hard are they?



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: headorheart
1. This is not about abortion.
2. Abortions are not federally funded.
3. Not all abortions are strictly murdering of the innocence.


1. Yes it is.. You must be new.
2. Not all, some people actually have $ to do it themselves (The way it should be)
3. Murder is Murder, talk nuances to your wife. They don't exist in the real world.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: SR1TX

Most all of them do. Those of us who don't approve of tax payer funded murder do whatever they can do to pay as little in taxes as they can.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:40 PM
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Planned Parenthood does some good things for women, however, it’s really hard to ignore the murder aspect of their business model. They should get out of the abortion business and maybe they could improve their reputation as heartless baby killers.

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posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
Planned parenthood does some good things for women, however, it’s really hard to ignore the murder aspect of their business model. They should get out of the abortion business and maybe they could improve their reputation as killers.


lots of organization do good things for women. I employ 4 myself, Where is my tax payer $ for putting food on the table?

Oh that's right...It went to murder 100 kids this morning courteousy of Uncle Sam..



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
Get congress to pass actual legislation and the roe v wade will be over.
Actual laws aren't that hard are they?


Why, the Supreme Court has already ruled on the matter. What would be the point of passing anything unless your aim was to try and contest their ruling.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:46 PM
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originally posted by: SR1TX

originally posted by: headorheart
1. This is not about abortion.
2. Abortions are not federally funded.
3. Not all abortions are strictly murdering of the innocence.


1. Yes it is.. You must be new.
2. Not all, some people actually have $ to do it themselves (The way it should be)
3. Murder is Murder, talk nuances to your wife. They don't exist in the real world.



Except when its murdering those murdering murderers, AMIRITE!?! HooAhh, kill'em'all and let God sort em out!

Carry On Sgt Hypocrite.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:48 PM
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The No Tax Payer Funding for Abortion and Abortion Insurance Full Disclosure Act of 2017

TITLE I--PROHIBITING FEDERALLY FUNDED ABORTIONS

(Sec. 101) This bill makes permanent the prohibition on the use of federal funds, including funds in the budget of the District of Columbia, for abortion or health coverage that includes abortion. The prohibitions in this bill, and current prohibitions, do not apply to abortions in cases of rape or incest, or where a physical condition endangers a woman's life unless an abortion is performed.

Abortions may not be provided in a federal health care facility or by a federal employee.

TITLE II--APPLICATION UNDER THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT

(Sec. 201) This bill amends the Internal Revenue Code and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act to prohibit qualified health plans from including coverage for abortions. (Qualified health plans are sold on health insurance exchanges, are the only plans eligible for premium subsidies and small employer health insurance tax credits, and fulfill an individual's requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage.) Currently, qualified health plans may cover abortion, but the portion of the premium attributable to abortion coverage is not eligible for subsidies.

(Sec. 202) The bill revises notification requirements for qualified health plans regarding abortion coverage and charges for abortion coverage.

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posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:48 PM
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originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: SR1TX

originally posted by: headorheart
1. This is not about abortion.
2. Abortions are not federally funded.
3. Not all abortions are strictly murdering of the innocence.


1. Yes it is.. You must be new.
2. Not all, some people actually have $ to do it themselves (The way it should be)
3. Murder is Murder, talk nuances to your wife. They don't exist in the real world.



Except when its murdering those murdering murderers, AMIRITE!?! HooAhh, kill'em'all and let God sort em out!

Carry On Sgt Hypocrite.



What? Who is calling for anyone to be murdered? Your post makes no sense.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: SR1TX

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: SR1TX

originally posted by: headorheart
1. This is not about abortion.
2. Abortions are not federally funded.
3. Not all abortions are strictly murdering of the innocence.


1. Yes it is.. You must be new.
2. Not all, some people actually have $ to do it themselves (The way it should be)
3. Murder is Murder, talk nuances to your wife. They don't exist in the real world.



Except when its murdering those murdering murderers, AMIRITE!?! HooAhh, kill'em'all and let God sort em out!

Carry On Sgt Hypocrite.



What? Who is calling for anyone to be murdered? Your post makes no sense.


I assume you support R troops, do you not?



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: SR1TX

Isn't that what we do when we provide American democracy all over the world? Save your fake outrage!



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Get congress to pass actual legislation and the roe v wade will be over.
Actual laws aren't that hard are they?


Why, the Supreme Court has already ruled on the matter. What would be the point of passing anything unless your aim was to try and contest their ruling.

oh its cool to live by court rulings and not actual laws



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: SR1TX

You use some of the worst examples and sound like a moron!



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:54 PM
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I have no problem with abortion.

I'd prefer if it wasn't subsidized by taxpayers, but abortions are a lot cheaper in the long run than welfare babies who will most likely end up in courts and prison just to suck up more tax dollars.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:54 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
oh its cool to live by court rulings and not actual laws



When the Supreme Court rules on a constitutional issue, that judgment is virtually final; its decisions can be altered only by the rarely used procedure of constitutional amendment or by a new ruling of the Court. The United States Supreme Court


Roe vs. Wade dealt with the constitutional aspects of abortion.





edit on 10-12-2018 by AugustusMasonicus because: networkdude has no beer



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: SR1TX

originally posted by: headorheart
1. This is not about abortion.
2. Abortions are not federally funded.
3. Not all abortions are strictly murdering of the innocence.


1. Yes it is.. You must be new.
2. Not all, some people actually have $ to do it themselves (The way it should be)
3. Murder is Murder, talk nuances to your wife. They don't exist in the real world.


This is about Medicaid Healthcare access. While I did bring up the abortion aspect in relation to Kavanugh, it has nothing to do with what the Supreme Court decided not to take on.

So are you okay with abortions if people pay for them by themselves? Because I thought you just said it murder. Again, federal funding does not go into Planned Parenthood abortions. One still has to pay money to have an abortion at Planned Parenthood.

I am the wife, thank you. I will argue all day that someone having a late term abortion just because they changed their mind is horrifically different than a woman having a late term abortion for medical purposes. Not everything is black and white.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Congress can still pass laws.
That is their primary task.
An actual law on this would end the roe v wade bs.
Is it so hard to pass an actual law?




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