The fact that women use make-up

a reply to: gosseyn

Various cultures throughout human history have used paint on their faces, and it wasn't always women. (Native Americans and their 'war paint' comes to mind.) Not make-up, but sort of related: our founding fathers wore powdered wigs (which everyone knew wasn't their real hair.) I don't think any of it was/is for deception. Humans are funny creatures who pick up customs and styles that last long after people start asking "Why the hell are we doing this?"

A lot of women today feel like they have to meet unrealistic beauty standards (thanks, airbrushing and camera filters!)
It reminds me of when Twiggy became famous and suddenly women were 'supposed to be' skinny. So my vote is on societal expectations. We need to change those in so many ways!

originally posted by: ViXxeN

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: vinifalou
Well that was some interesting nightly reading on a bunch of old creepy dudes in the internet talking about make-up.

Guess I need to get some sleep...

G’night ( make sure to wash your makeup off )

If you're a Christian, you're the reason that I would never want to be one.

And it’s unbelieving souls such as you, that make me grateful I am an honest Christian. I didn’t say perfect, because I’m not perfect.

After all, I struggle with my vanity just as many others do.😆

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: ViXxeN

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: vinifalou
Well that was some interesting nightly reading on a bunch of old creepy dudes in the internet talking about make-up.

Guess I need to get some sleep...

G’night ( make sure to wash your makeup off )

If you're a Christian, you're the reason that I would never want to be one.

And it’s unbelieving souls such as you, that make me grateful I am an honest Christian. I didn’t say perfect, because I’m not perfect.

After all, I struggle with my vanity just as many others do.😆

That's an understatement. If you believe it's against God to wear makeup and jewelery, then you must be against gays as well. Says a lot about your belief system.

I forgive you, not because I have to under God, but because I choose to.

a reply to: ViXxeN

Asking me to wash off my makeup before I retire isn't shaming me? I think you need to be honest with yourself and admit when you're wrong.

You need to apologize when you are wrong. That reply was for vinafilou, not you... and it was meant to be sarcastic.

a reply to: ViXxeN

I forgive you, not because I have to under God, but because I choose to.

I have absolutely no need of your forgiveness, but your honesty on the vanity of makeup would be appreciated.

G’night ViXxen.. keep it real.

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: ViXxeN

Asking me to wash off my makeup before I retire isn't shaming me? I think you need to be honest with yourself and admit when you're wrong.

You need to apologize when you are wrong. That reply was for vinafilou, not you... and it was meant to be sarcastic.

I appologise. Now when will you appologise and show your Christian Good Tidings ? I'll be waiting.

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: ViXxeN

I forgive you, not because I have to under God, but because I choose to.

I have absolutely no need of your forgiveness, but your honesty on the vanity of makeup would be appreciated.

G’night ViXxen.. keep it real.

As I said, you're nastiness towards me shows your christian love is lacking ... greatly. Have a nice night, pray to God and ask him to teach you how to treat others without contention.

originally posted by: ViXxeN

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: ViXxeN

Asking me to wash off my makeup before I retire isn't shaming me? I think you need to be honest with yourself and admit when you're wrong.

You need to apologize when you are wrong. That reply was for vinafilou, not you... and it was meant to be sarcastic.

I appologise. Now when will you appologise and show your Christian Good Tidings ? I'll be waiting.

I guess you missed my apology earlier .🤔 Do you have poor reading comprehension ? It’s ok.. we all suffer with it from time to time, some worse than others.

This thread is about the deception of makeup, not about proving my Christianity to you or others. Jesus died to save us all.

originally posted by: ViXxeN

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: ViXxeN

I forgive you, not because I have to under God, but because I choose to.

I have absolutely no need of your forgiveness, but your honesty on the vanity of makeup would be appreciated.

G’night ViXxen.. keep it real.

As I said, you're nastiness towards me shows your christian love is lacking ... greatly. Have a nice night, pray to God and ask him to teach you how to treat others without contention.

Excuse me but you STARTED the nastiness.. and now you are trying to push it on me ?
Get real... I was talking about the vanity of makeup and you steered it off topic.

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: ViXxeN

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: ViXxeN

I forgive you, not because I have to under God, but because I choose to.

I have absolutely no need of your forgiveness, but your honesty on the vanity of makeup would be appreciated.

G’night ViXxen.. keep it real.

As I said, you're nastiness towards me shows your christian love is lacking ... greatly. Have a nice night, pray to God and ask him to teach you how to treat others without contention.

Excuse me but you STARTED the nastiness.. and now you are trying to push it on me ?
Get real... I was talking about the vanity of makeup and you steered it off topic.

Please dont Lie, you started this. I'm done with you. Please don't respond to me again, I'm not interested in your Religious bigotry.

originally posted by: ViXxeN

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: ViXxeN

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: ViXxeN

I forgive you, not because I have to under God, but because I choose to.

I have absolutely no need of your forgiveness, but your honesty on the vanity of makeup would be appreciated.

G’night ViXxen.. keep it real.

As I said, you're nastiness towards me shows your christian love is lacking ... greatly. Have a nice night, pray to God and ask him to teach you how to treat others without contention.

Excuse me but you STARTED the nastiness.. and now you are trying to push it on me ?
Get real... I was talking about the vanity of makeup and you steered it off topic.

Please dont Lie, you started this. I'm done with you. Please don't respond to me again, I'm not interested in your Religious bigotry.

I see.. one of those that runs away when the truth hits em in the face, and washes all the makeup off. Can’t stand to be exposed for what you are.
I at least have the honesty to admit I’m not the best Christian, and the honesty to admit why I wear makeup... but it ceases to amaze me why so many NON Christians DEMAND special Christian behaviours from others.

Worry about your own non religious bigotry before you go riding your high horse of accusations around me. God is my judge, as well as my forgiveness... not you.

God knows makeup is vanity !

What happened with the moderation in this thread? Bunch of men's comments get deleted, some get banned, and one would think that maybe things would be civil. But, now we simply have an argument. I'm going to go ahead and state what my deleted comment said. The OP is garbage and nothing good should have been expected to come from this. The whole thread deserves to be thrown into a dumpster fire.

a reply to: RealityIsAbsurd

Annnnnnd...

Amen!

originally posted by: Sparkitekt

originally posted by: NightCall

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: gosseyn
Is the fact that women use make-up the translation of a tendency to lie, deceit, manipulate, dissimulate and be hypocritical in general ? Is it the result of an evolutionary path ? What role have men been playing in this evolutionary path, how have they influenced this path ? When men know for a fact that women do use make-up, and they are not bothered by the fact that it's an obvious deception, what does that say about men ? Can this be all explained by the fact that men have always been more physically strong than women, forcing women to adopt a strategy, or is it more complex and abstract than that ?

Awaiting your answers.

On the flip side men use the promise of wealth to attract women. Men drive sports cars and flash money to attract women.

Men are much more visual than women. Most men could careless if a woman can say her ABCs or count to ten as long as she has a nice rack and can polish a trailer hitch. Women are the opposite. They don't care how a guy looks as long as he has a fat bank account.

So yes, makeup is how women make themselves more attractive to men. I don't find it deceitful. Makeup just enhances the beauty of really attractive women.

Wrong, Wrong and more wrong. I refuse to talk to or engage in any way with a woman who can't think for herself, or for a better word, lacks "intelligence". I don't care about her ability to "polish a trailer hitch". Maybe though, I am old school and prefer more conservative women who have more respect for themselves.

Also wrong is that men are far more visual than women, which also implies that we drive fancy cars etc...to impress women. Are you on any kind of social media? I ask because Instagram, Snapchat, Tumblr, to name a few out of dozens of ways women nowadays use their looks, bodies, etc... to seek attention.

I drive a nice car, not to impress women, because frankly I could care less about showing off or impressing a woman, but rather because its fun. I enjoy the feel of the steering wheel, and the growl of the engine. Im no slouch either nor am I shy(distinguished retired military veteran w/degree), I just don't care to compete in this world where women are "peacocking" on every media outlet they possibly can.

forget to mention, you say that make-up enhances the beauty of really attractive women, but you fail to include the rest of the IMHO 90% of women in the world who don't match really attractive. That means the 90% of women who I believe are not among the most pretty, who also use make-up, are trying to make themselves something they are not, which is as you stated, enhanced in the beauty category. That in itself is misleading.

I don't know where you live, but in NYC, 90% of the women are pretty.

Pretty is subjective. But lets say we agree on what is considered pretty, I need to go to NYC! Lol

Mousteria

oh, yes. I do have an issue. An issue related to the sense of entitlement so many young and old men have, either to sex, female attention, and I also have an issue with guys putting down women, insulting them and calling them ugly in order to make themselves feel better about their own lack of attractiveness to the opposite sex.

Wrong. Men don't have an entitlement attitude towards thinking they can or are due a beautiful woman. In fact, men are starting to give up trying for many various reasons, among them they are being taken advantage of. If you are unaware of MGTOW, I suggest you do a little research before claiming men feel they deserve any woman they find beautiful regardless of how they themselves look. Men of all forms are turning away from dealing with women, no matter how pretty they think she looks.

Mousteria

What exactly is the problem with a man(or a woman) having sex with mutiple partners? Where's the moral wrong in doing something that is perfectly natural and normal for human beings to desire, to want, and to pursue?

Because it says so in the bible? You have no idea how much Middle-Eastern Muslim women would love to live in a place where women aren't honour-killed or put in the margins of society because of their sexual desires and sex drive.

well, nothing is wrong with it if both parties are aware its going on, and are not being subjected to STD's. It becomes a problem both morally and physically when people hide this fact. Can't believe I have to explain this to you smh...

Mousteria

There's a difference between the common woman and man and the typical pornstar, don't you think? Also, there's this niffy invention called a male condom. Besides the function of making sure you're not going to pay 18 years of child-support with someone you aren't interested in sharing that responsability with - it also keeps you from getting stds.

You condescendingly talk about a difference between a common man and woman against a porn star as if you are making a valid point somehow. The problem is, and its sad you fail to realize this which tells me something all together, but the fact is porn stars get STD tests regularly. In fact, STD's are transferred far less in the porn industry than in the general "multiple partners" real of your so claimed average man or woman. Also, condoms don't completely remove the risk. How old are you? I am starting to wonder if you are a virgin or closet sexual predator with an unnatural and uneducated thought process on sex.

Mousteria

I didn't know you are a woman, not that it would change anything I said so far. Then again, most of the people who shame my sisters/mother(when she was younger) about not having a steady boyfriend and instead enjoying their lives, are usually women. Kinda hurts when many hot guys are not that interested in a committed relationship with just one woman, so let's go and try to shame those women

False....recent studies show that men are more for long term monogamous relationships, and women are more reluctant. Part of the problem has been online dating, where women get 10x the messages and therefore with more options, comes less decisive efforts into just 1 man.

Mousteria

Now, I might be wrong here 'cuz I'm probably dumb, but you kinda took part in engaging her by writing that post and sending it her way. How does she lack ''intelligence''? You're saying that there aren't lots of guys who entice young, sexually attractive women to sleep with them or to enter a romantic relatiosnhip with them by using flashy cars, expensive houses, and stacked bank accounts?

Then how do you explain the fact that the wife of the President is nearly 30 years younger than him, with her being a former super top model and the guy being very sexually unattractive? Or the wife of the President of Brazil? Or the much younger, much more attractive women of rich, old men?

Remember, we are not talking about you. We're talking about the men in general who use wealth and expensive, flashy cars, and any signs of wealth to motivate women who are way out of their league to become their consorts.

First of all you are obviously, and purposely taking this forum discussion, specifically my part out of context in an attempt to make me look foolish. You failed. Failed miserably. I don't believe anyone but you had a hard time understanding what I meant, but I will dumb it down for you. I refuse to engage with women in a flirting, persuing, or otherwise similar way. I don't chase women nor do I compete for their attention. I am myself from day one and stay that way. I am respectful, considerate and a gentleman regardless of who it is. The reason why much younger women go for older men is majority about money, but in some cases can be understood as some women actually are more attracted to older men. Nothing wrong with that. Truth is it happens far more in men being rich than women.

Mousteria

You think women who enjoy being attractive and who take pleasure in having men admiring them and wanting to sleep with them and wanting to date them lack respect for themselves ? Why? is your contempt for people who enjoy being sexually attractive restricted to women, or do you also dislike men who wear muscle shirts to show off their shoulders and abs and such?

Lack of respect for wearing very skimpy clothing and showing the world. Putting their bodies out there and not caring who seems them. While I am a man and yes its nice to look at, I would and have refused to date any women who freely show their bodies and seek this kind of attention. I like to date women who have more respect for themselves in the manner that they don't need to show their bodies or want to show their bodies for attention.

have you ever been to a Mediterranean Country? The very first day I visited one of their beaches, with my new European friends, my jaw almost went unhinged when I was sitting on the sand talking to my friends and I feel water dropping on top of my head, for me to turn around and to see this statuesque blonde girl, probably of German background wearing a G-string bikini, and completely lacking the top area of it. Literally. Now what really astounded me was that there were lots of families with little children and teenager boys and such, and you'd have these gorgeous and fit women walking around topless in non-nude beaches, and the young men wouldn't even bat an eye.

Why? Because they were used to very attractive women, and they were raised in an enviroment that aknwolddeges that what is beautiful is natural and that there's nothing wrong with stunning women and gorgeous men showing to the world what they have.

Compare that to the Middle-Eastern women I met and dated who were part of Islam and who were raised in traditional cultures, and how they didn't even want to hold hands with me in public in the European Countries I visited and lived in with them, because they could go to jail just for being seen in the company of a man who wasn't married to them/not part of their families. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

I have been to many many countries and yes I am aware of the standards, and the fact that they are more relaxed in Europe. Its nice to view sure, but I still dont want to date a woman who shares her body with the world, either visually or physically. Its my preference and my opinion and I stand by that. I believe for a longterm relationship I want a woman who shares her body with me and that's it.

Mousteria

Yes, men - young men usually - use whatever means they can use to impress and attract women. That is the nature of our mating process as we don't have arranged marriages anymore(thank the heavens for that) and driving a fast car is one of the ways a sexually unattractive man can go about to get an attractive girlfriend. I used to know aguy who was as ugly as sin and he drove a brand new coupe BMW. It wasn't his, as he was only 18 and he couldn't afford one yet, but just driving it was enough for the hottie who became his girlfriend to date him.

Men do use any means possible, however, women are vastly outnumbering men in this aspect. A guy can drive a BMW and be ugly, but its not the car that the women may go for, although it can sometimes be what gets them noticed. Its the wealth. Women are programmed to find a provider and while not all women are or act on this natural instinct, a lot do.

a reply to: NightCall

Woot ?

Just because I don’t believe in having multiple sexual partners you are equating me to a backwards Muslim society who flogs and stones women adulterers ?

I’m not going to bother arguing with you, because the last thing I want to see for people who have sex out of wedlock or engage in multiple partner sex is for them to be physically hurt.

You are trying to make me into something I’m not, and I won’t allow that.

I chimed into this thread at first to say makeup is a choice, but when I really looked at why it was my choice, I found an underlying sense of not being ‘good enough’ without it on.

I know other women have grown accustomed to their ‘ mask’ when around others, and it’s a sad thing that women can’t feel more empowered without the makeup.

Mousteria

And men don't use their looks to get attention? Men don't use their wealth, their cars, their houses, their trips to exotic Countries and expensive clothes and toys to attract the sexual attention of women?

of course some do, but most men are not wealthy like you are saying, but women of all kinds of different wealth backgrounds use social media and promote their bodies in skimpy, often times see through clothing for attention. They feed off of it and its almost a form of internet prostitution. Selling their bodies virtually. Men do it as well, but women are far greater participants in this.

Mousteria

So, you're a retired military veteran. I reckon you have a nice body. And you don't want to compete with other men for women? Why? Are the women you want capable of getting men who are much hotter/richer than you are, or do you have a low sex drive and you get off faster by driving an expensive car rather than sleeping with a young, attractive woman?

Its not that I don't "want" to compete with other men for a woman's attention, its that I refuse to. Again, as I stated before I am not going to be someone I am not. Competing to me means that I am going to show off and try to win her over compared to other men, and I refuse. I won't do it because first of all, being something I am not can not be sustained over a long period of time, and when I date I date with intentions of long term. Being someone I am not will only last so long, surely you can understand that. Therefore, if she likes to date multiple men at the same time, I back away as its not worth the efforts. Of course I let her know I am going to just be myself first, and a lot of times the women love that. They hate when men are being fake. Sometimes though, sometimes they rather men fight for their attention. I refuse. Also, the women I have dated are gorgeous. I have high standards and my sex drive is irrelevant. My sex drive is perfectly healthy but I find it odd you talk so much about sex and in details, that it makes me think you are a sexual deviant. I am talking about wanting a woman who keeps her body for me, and you talk about my sex drive. smh...

Mousteria

No, women using make-up is not misleading. Because most men know that women don't naturally look like that. Brazilian waxing, teeth whitening, push-up bras, thongs, dyed blonde hair/blue/orange/tatoos/piercings, bleached anuses, and all of that, and still those men still want those women. Unless you're saying that I'm misleading women by making them think I have the best of teeth, as I brush them and I floss them and I got braces in my teen years and I got my teeth whitened?

LOL.

Why do you feel it necessary to go into such detail about body parts and sexual references? You've turned every topic of yours into something sexual where the majority have not focused on that. "bleached anuses"? Really? Any excuse to talk sexually about man or women huh?

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: NightCall

Woot ?

Just because I don’t believe in having multiple sexual partners you are equating me to a backwards Muslim society who flogs and stones women adulterers ?

I’m not going to bother arguing with you, because the last thing I want to see for people who have sex out of wedlock or engage in multiple partner sex is for them to be physically hurt.

You are trying to make me into something I’m not, and I won’t allow that.

I chimed into this thread at first to say makeup is a choice, but when I really looked at why it was my choice, I found an underlying sense of not being ‘good enough’ without it on.

I know other women have grown accustomed to their ‘ mask’ when around others, and it’s a sad thing that women can’t feel more empowered without the makeup.

not sure what you are on about, I agree about not having multiple partners. My responses weren't to you.

EDIT: I see now my replies weren't specified to who I was replying, I fixed this. Sorry.

a reply to: NightCall

Oops.. my bad.. so sorry about the confusion !😕