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The late Carlos Castañeda wrote that the sorcerer Don Juan Matus believed in the existence of an area best described as a “crevasse between realities” in which the material world imperceptibly gives way to the spirit world and other dimensions. However, only someone well versed in the hidden lore may recognize these gateways for what they are and make use of them. In his book Guía a la España Mágica (A Guide to Magical Spain) Spanish author Juan G. Atienza has pointed out that the Grail Epics are in fact a quest for this particular place where the mortal world meets the undying lands or heaven …
The first-known reference to the Grail was made by French poet Chrétien de Troyes in Perceval, le Conte du Graal (which translates as ‘Percival, the Story of the Grail’), an unfinished poem written sometime between 1181 and 1190. Chrétien credits a source book, but the original work remains a mystery. ...
Two symbols commonly used in the Egyptian murals are a cup that is held aloft to the sun god Amon Ra to be blessed, and a cone of bread, said to be given to the Pharaoh as a magical gift of Immortality. The hieroglyph of this particular cone of bread can be found painted in the great pyramid. This bread is described in the Egyptian book of the dead, using the question “what is it?” several times throughout. Both symbols, which are often used together, suggested to the Egyptians a meaning identical to that which we attach to the grail. In fact, along the banks of the Nile, the god Scrapis is often shown with a vessel filled with either sacred bread, or the “red waters of life”, the name of this vessel is gardal. This gardal was also said to contain the celestial power of the god Ptah, the creator of all things. For the initiates of the goddess Isis, the gardal was a hieroglyph of divine power. The gardal of Egyptians is therefore the key to the holy grail. It has been argued that both “grail” and “Gardal” are the same word. Over the centuries the word “gardal” became “gradal” and ultimately “grail”. ...
The blood and vessels of Jesus Christ could be a metaphor for the “blood and blood vessels of Earth” created by God whereby the Earths blood and blood vessels are equal to the Earths sacred primary water and water lines deep beneath the Earth’s surface. The crossings of these sacred water lines were most probably indicated by means of prehistoric stone circles which were in use from the late Neolithic to the early bronze age. This mineral-rich sacred healing water, available through water and springs flowing from a deep aquifer to the earths surface, was of great importance to early man for a number of reasons. It’s purity and supposed healing effect of this primary water was crucial in everyday life and the exact locations of these holy springs were therefore sometimes very well hidden and protected against collapse and destruction by means of a kind of reinforced structure around the well. …
The Cup of Jamshid (Persian: جام جم, jām-e Jam) is a cup of divination, which in Persian mythology was long possessed by the rulers of ancient Greater Iran. Its name is associated with Jamshid (Jam in New Persian), a mythological figure of Greater Iranian culture and tradition. The cup has also been called Jam-e Jahan nama, Jam-e Jahan Ara, Jam-e Giti nama, and Jam-e Kei-khosrow. The latter refers to Kaei Husravah in the Avesta, and Sushravas in the Vedas.
The cup has been the subject of many Persian poems and stories. Many authors ascribed the success of the Persian Empire to the possession of this artefact. It appears extensively in Persian literature.
The cup ("Jām") was said to be filled with an elixir of immortality and was used in scrying. As mentioned by Ali-Akbar Dehkhoda, it was believed that all seven heavens of the universe could be observed by looking into it (از هفت فلک در او مشاهده و معاینه کردی). It was believed to have been discovered in Persepolis in ancient times. The whole world was said to be reflected in it, and divinations within the cup were said to reveal deep truths. Sometimes, especially in popular depictions such as The Heroic Legend of Arslan, the cup has been visualized as a crystal ball. Helen Zimmern's English translation of the Shahnameh uses the term "crystal globe".
originally posted by: blend57
a reply to: Lumenari
That is interesting and thank you for adding some more to the thread. Exactly what I was looking for and I appreciate it.
The story of the Alanteans stated that they were able to manipulate the Earth and elements. They had found balance between nature and science (just off the top of my head from reading). I also remember reading about other American Indians having similar beliefs as the Hopi one. Similar, not exact.
So, it is something that we carry within ourselves, but we have to activate it? Is that what their alluding to?
Thanks!
blend
The philosopher's stone, or stone of the philosophers (Latin: lapis philosophorum) is a legendary alchemical substance capable of turning base metals such as mercury into gold (chrysopoeia, from the Greek χρυσός khrusos, "gold", and ποιεῖν poiēin, "to make") or silver. It is also called the elixir of life, useful for rejuvenation and for achieving immortality; for many centuries, it was the most sought goal in alchemy. The philosopher's stone was the central symbol of the mystical terminology of alchemy, symbolizing perfection at its finest, enlightenment, and heavenly bliss. Efforts to discover the philosopher's stone were known as the Magnum Opus ("Great Work").
would need another source for this one..lol
The Holy Grail is thought to be a reference to the “Holy Waters” surrounding the pineal gland – and the chalice which allows us to hold the elixir of immortal life. It has also been referred to as the “lost key” which will help to free humankind from their collective egoic prison....
14. Lucifer has several sigils. His symbol at left represents the True GRAIL. This is the cup that holds the elixer of life. The Grail is part of the Magnum Opus, the potential of which we have within ourselves. It is not a material object, it is a concept. The "blood of the chakras" is the energy they leak when stimulated. The Grail is depicted as "Royal Blood." This is the 'blood' of the chakras. ...
Satan told me he will be giving me the formula to the Magnum Opus. The Magnum Opus is the highest working in Satanism, and the end result of all legitimate occult disciplines, the allegories and the legends of the Gods.
The Magnum Opus is physical and spiritual perfection and immortality. ...
the motto of the Grail Knights: “Dureh Mitleid w'usen.” A call
from the Immortal Self of Man resounding in the darkness of confusion and
doubt within the human soul: Through Compassion to Self-Knowledge. ...
Early on, while doing research for my novel The Templars Two Kings and a Pope, I was mystified by the recurrent mention of the Holy Grail in documents referring to the Knights Templar. It didn't make sense; by then I had defined that the core of the Templars, those who gave direction to the Order were without doubt Gnostic mystics who gave little importance to relics or anything in the material world, which they considered an illusion, something to be dismissed.
...if a chalice stood for something else, what would it be? It definitely was not the cup that Jesus used in the last supper. This would mean nothing to those mystics, an actual cup?
When I dug deeper, I found that starting even earlier, perhaps back to the 5th century, the Heart, that is the spiritual heart as opposed to the human organ, was symbolized by a drinking vessel.
The legends point to the existence of a Holy Grail. Historical evidence defines it as a Gnostic Gospel written by Jesus. But where has it been all these centuries?
Among the Gnostic Gospels there is one called the Gospel of the Savior, but no one knows who the author is as yet. Whatever the case might be about that document, wouldn’t a gospel written by Jesus been singled out and heralded through the centuries? Well, not if it started out as a secret document by the author himself, giving very specific instructions that it cannot be disseminated. Jesus meant his secret teachings for those who were ready, and these were few and far between. To the masses he spoke in parables, to the minds with limited understanding that could not conceive of God residing inside them. He knew that should his teachings be made public, they would be grossly misinterpreted, and indeed they were. ...
Judas said, "Tell us, Lord, what was [...] before the heaven and the earth existed."
The Lord said, "There was darkness and water, and spirit upon water.
The Lord said, "When the Father established the cosmos, he [...] water from it, and his Word came forth from it, and it inhabited many [...]. It was higher than the path [...] surrounds the entire earth [...] the collected water [...] existing outside them. [...] the water, a great fire encircling them like a wall ...
The first instance that the real Holy Grail surfaced was shortly after the founding of the Templar Order in 1119. The nine Gnostic knights who founded the order, almost immediately started digging around Solomon’s Temple where they were headquartered. In due course they stopped digging and made their way to Rome where they exacted huge concessions from the pontiff that guaranteed the viability of their new order. Historians have speculated as to what it was that they found that they could use to sway the pope. The Temple of Solomon had contained the legendary Ark of the Covenant, but the chances that it was still around after all those centuries would be unlikely, given that the Temple had been destroyed and rebuilt several times, and even then, its possession would not have given such a powerful bargaining position to the Templars. What would have done it, would be a Jesus Gospel that if made public, would have meant the end of the Church’s role as intermediary. But did they find it under the Temple? Not likely. Through the centuries the place had been just too much of a target, not a good hiding place for anything of value. It’s far more likely that the nine Gnostic Templars were after something buried near the Temple. What stood next to the Temple of Solomon in Jesus’ time was the Antonia Fortress, the Roman’s administrative center that had also housed a jail where Jesus had been held before being crucified. Several Roman jails had cells dug into the ground. It is then possible that Jesus’ cell could have survived.
According to Persian traditions, when Jemshid began to excavate the foundation for the city of Istaker, a miraculous chalice, Jami-Jemshid, was found. The chalice was made of turquoise and was filled with the precious nectar of life.
In the distance, beyond the great lakes, beyond the highest mountains, is the sacred place where all truth flourushes. There one may find the supreme knowledge and the future salvation of man kind. And this place is called Belovodye, meaning the white waters ...
Two symbols commonly used in the Egyptian murals are a cup that is held aloft to the sun god Amon Ra to be blessed, and a cone of bread, said to be given to the Pharaoh as a magical gift of Immortality. The hieroglyph of this particular cone of bread can be found painted in the great pyramid. This bread is described in the Egyptian book of the dead, using the question “what is it?” several times throughout. Both symbols, which are often used together, suggested to the Egyptians a meaning identical to that which we attach to the grail. In fact, along the banks of the Nile, the god Scrapis is often shown with a vessel filled with either sacred bread, or the “red waters of life”, the name of this vessel is gardal. This gardal was also said to contain the celestial power of the god Ptah, the creator of all things. For the initiates of the goddess Isis, the gardal was a hieroglyph of divine power. The gardal of Egyptians is therefore the key to the holy grail. It has been argued that both “grail” and “Gardal” are the same word. Over the centuries the word “gardal” became “gradal” and ultimately “grail”.
The roots Mir - Mar- or Mir appear frequently in any investigation of the grail, they also relate linquestically to space and water. In ancients myths space was referred to as the cosmicwater. ...
Then he took the crystal goblet. He summoned to him a huge negro slave, bade him mount a wild horse and gallop it about the plain till it streamed with sweat. Then, with ease, the monarch filled the chalice with water that came neither from earth nor heaven...
They suggested that Amrit could only be gained from the samudra manthan (or churning of the ocean) for the ocean in its depths hid mysterious and secret objects. Vishnu agreed to take the form of a turtle on whose shell a huge mountain was placed. This mountain was used as a churning pole.
With the help of a Vasuki (mighty and long serpent, king of Nagloka) the churning process began at the surface. From one side the gods pulled the serpent, which had coiled itself around the mountain, and the demons pulled it from the other side. As the churning process required immense strength, hence the demons were persuaded to do the job—they agreed in return for a portion of Amrit. Finally with their combined efforts (of the gods and demons), Amrit emerged from the ocean depths. All the gods were offered the drink but the gods managed to trick the demons who did not get the holy drink
Amritam is an antidote to death. He who drinks it becomes immortal. As a drink it is no more available because whatever drink that was churned out of the oceans by the gods and demons at the beginning of creation was consumed to the last drop. If any of it is still left, it will remain hidden until the end of creation because if the demons gain hold of it there will be chaos. However, even though amritam is not available in a drink form, one can still become immortal by attaining liberation or mukti...
Kalasha - The kalasha is considered a symbol of abundance and "source of life" in the Vedas. It is referred to as "overflowing full vase" in the Vedas. The Kalasha is believed to contain amrita, the elixir of life, and thus is viewed as a symbol of abundance, wisdom, and immortality. The Kalasha is often seen in Hindu iconography as an attribute, in the hands of Hindu deities like the creator god Brahma, the destroyer god Shiva as a teacher, and the goddess of prosperity Lakshmi...
Then he took the crystal goblet. He summoned to him a huge negro slave, bade him mount a wild horse and gallop it about the plain till it streamed with sweat. Then, with ease, the monarch filled the chalice with water that came neither from earth nor heaven...