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Macron deploys 89 000 strong security force for riots livestream

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posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 06:01 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: ketsuko

No I don't, for Comparison here in oz we pay around $6 per gallon. But we don't pay a big chunk for medical insurance either... I think you will find its quite relative what we all pay out in cost of living. In a nutshell us plebs are getting royally #ed up the ass.


I don't pay $6/gal. I also don't pay a GST like you do in Australia on most everything.




posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko


Don't you have sales taxes in the states though? that's pretty much like VAT isn't it?



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 06:19 PM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: ketsuko


Don't you have sales taxes in the states though? that's pretty much like VAT isn't it?


We do have sales tax, but they are not exactly the same. For one thing, they are local, not national. States and localties impose sales taxes. None are higher than 10% -- Alabama weighs in highest at 9.15%. Some states with have only sales tax and no state income tax like Texas and Florida.

Also, sales tax are only at end stage collected by the retailer. So they are only imposed on the final stage sale. A VAT can be imposed at any stage in the chain of production where a good's value is deemed to have been increased. So every time something is sold/improved, the VAT is imposed. That means it gets that much more expensive every step in its production to help cover the cost of having paid that VAT to acquire it -- supplier, manufacturer, distributor, retailer.

tax.thomsonreuters.com...
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posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 06:33 PM
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This might spread all over Europe like the Arab Spring.

But this will be the Europe Winter


Karma



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 06:35 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Thanks, sounds a bit like it used to be here, in the UK before we joined the EEC and had to adopt VAT



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 06:36 PM
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France needs a Trump.

They need to reduce taxes, stop playing with the EU and return to embracing a national identity.

This globalism is not what most normal smart people want.
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posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

That's the last thing they need

Sure, they will be so happy when he lowers taxes for the rich like Trump did
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posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 06:48 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: DBCowboy

That's the last thing they need


Macron has a popularity rating hovering in the high teens.


The people are rejecting the EU/globalist/socialist ideology.



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Wrong. There protesting the elite making the poor pay for Global warming and Macrons catering to the rich.

Your simplistic analysis is nonsense



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 06:54 PM
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a reply to: Willtell


When did any government at any time actually solve anything, it always ends up with a bunch of cronies at the top making Laws which increase their wealth. After a while they feel entitled as human nature is apt to do , and then inevitably, its a long grinding process to kick them out, and then the whole thing starts again. If unemployment gets to a certain stage, over thirty per cent then the riots start. The Governments have been Bull#ting these numbers as if it was a magic cure, but bull# never cures much.



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 07:03 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: DBCowboy

Wrong. There protesting the elite making the poor pay for Global warming and Macrons catering to the rich.

Your simplistic analysis is nonsense


Wrong.


It's been a few years, but I've actually spent time in France and had the opportunity to talk to the people there.

National identity is very important to the French.



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 08:02 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

It would have to be. Why else would they intensively regulate what kind of bread can and cannot be labeled a baguette? There are rules for dough consistency and loaf and everything. If national identity didn't matter, why bother.



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 08:43 PM
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BARAKING NEWS:

HUSSEIN OBAMA ENDORSES MACRON
twitter.com...



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 08:53 PM
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The European Union is done.
Spain has been in collapse for years with Greece Obv.
Germany and France are as bad as us (UK).
The corruption of the amount of money flowing around is ridiculous and needs to stop.

The best option for the UK is a no deal an watch Europe # it's self.



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 10:09 PM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: DoctorBluechip

I have zero sympathy for those protests. They're violent and stupid. They protest because the world is changing and they can't adapt. I have no car, because of the environment. Owning a car will be a thing of the past soon and all their attacks on the police, shops and monuments won't stop that.
If life is too expensive move out of Paris. Stop buying so much garbage and use public transport. But oh no that's Macron who is to blame. They elected him into office. It's not like he was advertising anything different than what he does...
Violent dumb #s level 30.


Ah, typical environmental extremist tactic... Similar to the environmental lunatics and draconian policies implemented by the nazis, who were the first environmental extremists and started the movement of environmental extremism...

"Owning a car will be a thing of the past." BS... There are people who do need to have their own transportation, and just because they/we wouldn't buy, or kowtow to your "beliefs" it doesn't mean they deserve to be tyrannized... But of course, as a regular authoritarian in your mind if people don't kowtow to "your beliefs" they deserve to be oppressed and subjected to "your beliefs"...


People can have a change of heart after they see, or experience what "these draconian environmental policies will do to their lives." More so when the price of energy skyrockets because of the fake AGW agenda. If the people of France were to not protest this they will end up as Venezuela, and they still might, where "environmental extremist policies" were implemented under the excuse of "fighting climate change."

When people start experiencing not being able to afford energy, or they can't get to better paying jobs because they can't afford to have a vehicle, people change their minds.

However, I don't agree with the violence and destruction of property that is occurring in several areas in France.




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posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 11:09 PM
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Why are the 'yellow vests' protesting in France?


The ignorance going around this alt-right site is distorting this protest, it is not over Muslims or immigration and other right-wing tropes



The "yellow vests" want further concessions from the government. Their demands include a redistribution of wealth as well as the increase of salaries, pensions, social security payments and the minimum wage. Some say they will not settle for anything less than the president's resignation. WATCH24:45 Can Macron survive the biggest challenge to his presidency? So how did day-to-day frustrations about fuel prices and "green taxes" transform into a nation-wide protest movement attracting hundreds of thousands of people in a matter of weeks?



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 11:18 PM
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The obsessed distorters are trying to attach this rebellion to right-wing fanatic bad ideas but the truth is this is a battle to MAINTAIN the so-called welfare state.

These distorters cant get their narrow minds outside of the left/right paradigm but this issue is actually against a neoliberal attempt by Macron to dismantle the French Welfare state and initiate austerity.

That's what this about the economic welfare and security of the French people. They don't want to go backward as what happened in the US.
Cut this, cut that and take away economic progress and security of the French people. That's why they're in the street, not over immigration, the EU,
Brexit or frexit but over Macron trying to cut the salaries and the accomplishments of the French lower and middle class.


For the past four decades, French people have been worried about the erosion of social protections in their country. Since Francois Mitterrand's socialist government controversially decided to impose austerity policies in 1983, successive governments have taken slow but consistent steps to dismantle the French welfare state. All this gradually accentuated the economic concerns of the French middle and working classes and led them to be more and more suspicious of all mainstream politicians on the right and the left. They came to believe that the political elite protects the interests of the wealthy and does not care about the wellbeing of ordinary citizens.

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www.aljazeera.com...
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posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 11:26 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Its about Globalism versus Nationalism which encompasses many different facets of the agendas of each. Globalists want forced immigration & wealth redistribution so as to bring all humans into a single fold within a window earning bracket and to espouse an identity that we share this planet and that no-one can tell anyone else what to do and where to live - all land belongs to all people and this is the humans' birthright. If you have ever read OSF policy, you'd know that I just parroted it.

At the other end of the spectrum, Nationalists want personal responsibility to be the fundamental axiom towards the betterment of society where the government of that particular land works for the citizens and adheres to the will of the voters. nationalists want geographic birthright to remain superior among all policies - Japan is an excellent example of Nationalism.

Within those 2, many other sub-issues are present whether it be religious, political, social or financial.

Thoughts?



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 11:48 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft

Its about Globalism versus Nationalism which encompasses many different facets of the agendas of each. Globalists want forced immigration & wealth redistribution so as to bring all humans into a single fold within a window earning bracket and to espouse an identity that we share this planet and that no-one can tell anyone else what to do and where to live - all land belongs to all people and this is the humans' birthright. If you have ever read OSF policy, you'd know that I just parroted it.


Globalism might sound good to those who want to force the rest of the world to submit to their ideas and belief. Ironically, the same people who protest "imperialism and colonialism" are the same people who want to force "global imperialism and global colonialism" in which the majority are forced to kowtow to the will of the minority all over the globe.



originally posted by: Sublimecraft
At the other end of the spectrum, Nationalists want personal responsibility to be the fundamental axiom towards the betterment of society where the government of that particular land works for the citizens and adheres to the will of the voters. nationalists want geographic birthright to remain superior among all policies - Japan is an excellent example of Nationalism.

Within those 2, many other sub-issues are present whether it be religious, political, social or financial.

Thoughts?


I agree with your first argument above. But your argument about "nationalists want geographic birthright to remain superior among all policies - Japan is an excellent example of Nationalism." millions of others and i see it a bit different.

It isn't about "geographic birthright," but rather for the nation to keep it's fundamental values of individual freedom, freedom of expression, the pursuit of happiness, and to be able to retain sovereignty. If the U.S. were to adopt the globalist mindset there wouldn't be sovereignty or freedoms, and instead the will of groups like the UN, which is full of dictatorships, will be forced upon nations like the U.S. This will simply destroy the U.S. Constitution and all the rights that the Founding Fathers were wise enough to include in the founding of this nation.

I do believe in "legal immigration" instead of "illegal immigration," more so of people who as a majority don't want to integrate into the U.S. but want to force nations like the U.S. to kowtow their own beliefs, while other people's beliefs will not be protected or allowed. Meanwhile the foundation of the U.S. included a respect for religious freedom, instead the globalists/leftists and RINOs want to take away "religious freedom of certain groups" while allowing anti-American and pro-globalist sentiment to foster in the U.S.



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posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

People are rejecting the globalist climate change agenda.

It's as simple as that.







 
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