Good Brexit Bad Brexit What's the difference ?

a reply to: Freeborn

Unfortunately, and perhaps in retrospect, even though the EU seems like a good idea at face value "we" (the World) should have known all along that it was a new world order/establishment elite wet dream. We should have known the crooked politicians and their overlords would sink their filthy claws into every single corner of such a concept to extract what they could for themselves. They would exploit every single weakness, and they have, for their own gain, all while the people were trying to make the spirit of the concept work. They all just sat back, licking their chops, thinking about how they'd add a bunch of dead weight to the EU (think: Greece, Italy, etc.) and really throw things into a tailspin...laughing all the way to the bank.

The winners don't win because their "winners", the winners win by betting on the common man losing. Sadly, the EU is now a textbook example.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: ScepticScot


Name one MEP that can put a new law on the books then, just one that you can write to and they can introduce a bill before parliament like happens here...You can't because they aren't allowed to do it.

It's virtually impossible for a single MP to get a law proposed & passed in the UK anyway.

The fact that proposed laws do not come from the parliament does not make the EU parliament advisory as you claimed.

You can dislike the EU legislative system but at least be accurate about it.

Nope, you get your MP to support you and there is always a chance of them getting what you want into law.

There is zero. NONE, NADA, chance of your MEP being able to do it.

For a comparison, the EU is like taking away all legislative power from the elected commons and just letting the unelected house of lords come up with every single law we have to obey.

I don't understand how any right thinking adult can support that.



ETA some laws which came from private members bills (via Wikipedia)
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Other private member's bills to have been enacted include the Adoption Act 1964, the Murder (Abolition of Death Penalty) Act 1965, the Charter Trustees Act 1985, the Law Reform (Year and a Day Rule) Act 1996, the Knives Act 1997, the British Nationality (Hong Kong) Act 1997, the Mental Health (Discrimination) Act 2003 the Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003, the Gangmasters (Licensing) Act 2004, the Sustainable Communities Act 2007.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Freeborn
I love the meat products the German market traders sell, and in summer when the French come with their cheeses #ing amazing.
They'll still come after Brexit maybe have to fill a few more forms out but they'll still come.

And we can still go over the water for camping hols and to bring back cheap booze and fags

Haha yes!
We might have to fill out some forms/paperwork but not much will change, Spain would be ruined without British tourists.

There will be no good or bad Brexit, other nations would leave the EU also if we were seen to get a good deal, there is only Brexit

In simple terms (sarc)

Good Brexit





Bad Brexit





Oh and this

EU parliament to keep public in dark on MEP expenses

Love my EU brothers and Sisters, dislike politicians that steal from the people

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I travelled through France, Belgium, Switzerland Austria, Gemany and Italy with no bother back in 1985, way before the new rules, back when it was still the EC so yeah, wave your passport and wish "bon matin" to the gendermes and you are good to go.

originally posted by: paraphi
It's an interesting observation around the way British politics and debate seems negatively received. The EU negotiating team seem perplexed.

1. I am perfectly content with the level and content of the political debate in the UK, and would be annoyed if there was not constant argument and bickering. The impact on the UK has been endlessly debated and open for discussion.

2. I am surprised that there has been zero debate in the EU. The only debate has been with unelected bureaucrats. There has been NO published impact of Brexit on the EU that has received any attention. Even member states who would be adversely impacted by Brexit have been muted.

The lack of any discussion in the EU indicates the democratic deficit and the woeful lack of transparency and accountability. The fact that they don't recognise that is telling.

Uhm. I don't know where you get your information from, but there has been substantial debate in the EU. From a very early stage the EU commissioned hundreds of impact papers that went into great detail on how Brexit would impact EU nations.

It's been thoroughly debated. And the general EU concensus is that it's very sad the UK has decided to shoot itself in the head, and they've done everything they can to stop us doing that, but if we insist on destroying our own country, they can't stop us.

a reply to: SprocketUK
Bloody'ell I thought we were similar age, I'd only started comprehensive school then haha!
I've travelled loads outside of Europe with no bother except my British passport, all the travel doom talk is ridiculous.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Peeple
The UK will survive and prosper in time, sure there will be short term challenges but long term we will be fine.
I love Europe I just don't love the EU, massive difference.
...there are German market traders in town right now, I'm popping down for some mulled wine and sausage in the next hour.

Rees Mogg himself said it could be 50 years until the UK sees any benefit from leaving the EU.

Why are Brexiteers so excited about the idea of being poorer for the next 50 years, before we might (but probably won't) see any tiny benefit?

a reply to: SprocketUK

No, I wasn't really implying the EU is socialist.

a reply to: Painterz
Nobody can predict the future.
I remain optimistic and own my decision to vote leave...you can thank me in a few years.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I was in the final year then That was my holiday. Imagine 4 more days in Italy after Heysel happened...Got a bit shady, I can tell you.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Painterz
Nobody can predict the future.
I remain optimistic and own my decision to vote leave...you can thank me in a few years.

Okey dokey, will do.

By the same token, if it's a nightmare, can we track you down and give you a slap?

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


Yeah, but the US version of what a socialist is and the British version are vastly different.


For instance, I can't see much difference economically between Repubs and Dems. There are some issues, but broadly they are the same, always seemd that way to me too.
Its getting similar here now since new labour, but in the past, there was a yawning chasm between Labour and conservatives here, That said, our conservative party would probably fit in somewhere on the right of your democrats...

a reply to: SprocketUK
Sounds shady as!
I was in Bali in 2002 when that nightclub was bombed, kind of killed the vibe so went north to Thailand instead.
...again, easy travel around the world with no need for political union.

a reply to: Flavian

Haha okay

a reply to: Painterz

And it's been 25 years already since the EU was officially formed. What benefit has the UK gotten in the two and a half decades being members of the EU????

I would venture to say, less than nothing.

originally posted by: Painterz
Rees Mogg himself said it could be 50 years until the UK sees any benefit from leaving the EU.

Why are Brexiteers so excited about the idea of being poorer for the next 50 years, before we might (but probably won't) see any tiny benefit?

Actually Jacob Rees-Mogg said and I quote "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years". Do a quick google search to find the video. The media and yourself have twisted his words.

And just for clarification. When the reports say we will be poorer, they actually mean we will not grow as fast as we would if we stayed. Which is a big difference.

Edit:
Here is the interview by the way...

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I imagine Bali would have been worse.

We all left Mary's pub in Lido di Jesolo early cos it looked like the match would be cancelled with all the fighting going on on telly and one of my idiot mates tried to light a small corner of a huge Juve flag hanging outside another bar.
Thig was made of acetate or something and went up in a flash, then we got chased by a bunch of 30 year olds all the way through town (It was like one long road that went on for miles) Ended up cutting through some gardens to the beach and making our way back to the hotel. The remaining few days were just dirty looks off people when they realised we were English..Except for this gang of german bikers that used to drink in the bar next door, they were a great laugh and we had an awesome time.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

It's cost us a few hundred million £'s each week subsidising poor EU nations.
I think of EU membership as foreign aid.

a reply to: Painterz

Rees Mogg himself said it could be 50 years until the UK sees any benefit from leaving the EU.

Rees Mogg is a twat of the highest order.....you don't believe any of the other crap he spout's so why believe this nonsense?

Why are Brexiteers so excited about the idea of being poorer for the next 50 years, before we might (but probably won't) see any tiny benefit?

Things have always been pretty much crap up here, another few years won't harm me and if it makes for a better UK for my Grandson then I'm ok with that.