Good Brexit Bad Brexit What's the difference ?

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: alldaylong

What did the Romans ever do for us?

Their spagetti was ok.

They stole it from the Chinese.

originally posted by: Peeple

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Peeple

Lets start with Language. What is the language called you are using? English i believe.

Sport. Nearly every major sport played throughout the world was invented in Britain

The Industrial Revolution. That speaks for itself.

Science and technology.

We even invented The U.S.

English is the best language, but that's not something you accomplished it developed.
The industrial revolution would have taken place without you too Watts was Scottish not English.

Newton was crazy he was a big alchemist. There is a certain pattern, genius and insanity go hand in hand they say. That's true. You see? You need a nanny, or you straight walk off a cliff...

Watt may have been Scottish, but his factory was in Birmingham England ( in fact it was the worlds first factory )

Watt was not the be all and end all of The Industrial Revolution. Thomas Telford , Abraham Darby, Thomas Newcombe, James Brindley, Josiah Wedgewood, James Brindley, Matthew Boulton, Richard Arkwright, the list goes on and one.

www.gracesguide.co.uk...

The industrial revolution would have taken place without you too

But it didn't did it.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: and14263

Nationalising the railway only makes sense if it implies the customers can use it for free. Make the net national not the whole thing and nobody would be against it.

What on Earth are you typing?

1) You ignored my references to Eu misdemeanors to other members.
2) A free rail system??? You claim yo know so much about our country yet you clearly have no idea. Corbyn and Burnahm want to nationalise the rail system and under the Regulation IT IS ILLEGAL.

Whether nationailising is right or wrong the Regulation imposed by EU is undemocratic to Labour voters!



Tell you what, stick to the politics of whatever country you live in because you're making your argument look super weak and making remainers look super weak.

a reply to: Peeple

You're just trolling. Tell Spanish trawler men, or tomato producers, or (bless them) French vineyards that Brexit won't impact them. Brexit has two sides and the EU side has lacked any openness or transparency by closing any debate. The entire EU27 has been muted, with the exception of the times the Irish Premier has been allowed to whine-on.

Those who think the EU will be a better place after the UK leave are mistaken. It will be smaller, less diverse and become increasingly federal against any worthwhile pan-European debate. Worse, the EU will become increasing introverted.

Where do you come from Peeple?

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: Peeple

Why do you need to be condescending?

Two or three compromises?

Here are some examples of why the EU is not good:

Greece has voted twice for Syrizia anti-austerity party and once to reject EU bailout in a referendum. The EU and IMF ignored their votes and crippled their economy further using a debt extension. Undemocratic

In Italy Berlusconi was forced out and replaced by Monti - elections were suspended for two years. Undemocratic

2016 - The un-elected EC forced Portugal's socialist government to abandon anti-austerity - even though the people of Portugal voted for it. Undemocratic.

But of course, one size fits all.

You know best.

English people are just crying.


Stop being condescending and bring some facts to the table.

I'm getting to you be patient here is my reply:
Greece never was a role model for democracy they lied and cheated their way into the EU without being ready for it. Once you're that much in debt your a slave, that's not only the EU that's the world. Reality. I don't like it you don't like it, but it's ultimately the incapability of the Greek administration to collect taxes from small to medium businesses that continues to cause their population pain.
Berlusconi was corrupt like hell, but it was out of fear that nobody would invest in Italy if he remains in office what drove him out the door. Not really the fault of the EU.
And in Portugal it's again economic reasons and ultimately decision of Portugese politics and not directly the EU who is responsible.

You simply can not blame the EU for bad political and economical decisions of their members.

a reply to: paraphi

Where do you come from Peeple?

I believe he's a Kraut.

originally posted by: paraphi

Where do you come from Peeple?

Europe

a reply to: Peeple

As I stated. In the Greece and Portugal cases the people voted democratically and the EU overturned their decisions.

The people of Italy wanted a vote. The EU would not allow it for two years.

Cognitive dissonance?

a reply to: and14263

No sure it's better to let the people vote for suicide like you guys did. Not. People are stupid.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: and14263

No sure it's better to let the people vote for suicide like you guys did. Not. People are stupid.

Condescending.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: paraphi

Where do you come from Peeple?

I believe he's a Kraut.

Kraut or American
Peeple Hates Germany

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: paraphi

Where do you come from Peeple?

I believe he's a Kraut.

She is a Brezl

a reply to: Peeple


What freedom does a person have if they cannot vote for the people who make their laws?

EU rules prohibit so many things like abolishing VAT on goods and services, how we support our industry, things like nationalisation etc that it can not be seen as anything but anathema to someone who believes in democracy.
Brexit isnt about British people believing they are superior to others, it is simply about wanting the people who make the laws to be accountable to the people who have to live under those laws. Why can't you see this simple, obvious truth?

a reply to: and14263

Observing reality.

originally posted by: Peeple

It's a typical English fault, you think you're bigger, funnier, smarter and more important than you really are. By far. And I mean far. Like a lot too far. An insanely huge lot too far. Like crazy huge. Unfathomably crazy huge lot by far the farest too far.
With your tiny island all you have is symbolic hold over the former commonwealth but in reality they divorced you a long time ago. And now you're craving for complete isolation. It's funny and sad to watch.
Sail into the sunset already and never come back...

So WHY is the EU hanging on to the UK with such ferocity if they are of so little value?

Maybe its the value of their financial contributions into the corrupt EU coffers?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: and14263

No sure it's better to let the people vote for suicide like you guys did. Not. People are stupid.

They thought we where voting for suicide when we stood up against Nazi Germany alone.

How did that one work out?

a reply to: SprocketUK

Okay you got me, I believe in experts doing the horribly boring job of making the regulations, not some ignorant twat from the street who has no clue.
If democracy becomes a danger to the survival of a nation I don't believe in it.

Ok I have given you facts.

You have ignored them and been condescending.

You should work for the UK media.

I’ll speak to you in a couple of years and we will see how the UK is doing then.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: SprocketUK

Okay you got me, I believe in experts doing the horribly boring job of making the regulations, not some ignorant twat from the street who has no clue.
If democracy becomes a danger to the survival of a nation I don't believe in it.

Well, Germans have a long history of preferring the strong man to make the rules rather than trusting the people...

a reply to: eletheia

It's not personal. You committed yourself to a contract when you joined.