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posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: kerrichin

Lol I'm not calling anyone a liar just calling out the anecdotal evidence for what it is.



calling it out as what something i experienced and you didnt so there for my experience must be a lie as it doesnt fit your experience as the fluffy happy kind vegan.
are we going to start shouting fake news next
seeing as i also attahced an example of vegans acting rude, but yeah your right i made it up, ill admit i paid actors to fake teh video and sold it to numerous news channels so i could prve you wrong in the future
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posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 03:26 AM
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a reply to: kerrichin
Nope just calling it out as anecdotal, I've already said I'm not calling anyone a liar...do you even understand what anecdotal means? Google it maybe.



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 04:14 AM
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To be blunt, it's because vegans tend to be hyper-confrontational and it's the default expectation of you, OP, based on established behavior.

There's passive vegans out there, I do know one. but I've know FAR more who are militant about it, those who are extremely aggressive about their choice and feel they must shove it down the throats of others. That modus operandi has done nothing but harm the movement, but they don't care. It's their way, or no way at all.

It's going to take a lot more than just a smattering of decent, non-pushy vegans to fix that perception from others. You need to smack your own down, loud & hard, before you can come off as reputable to others in conversation.



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 04:23 AM
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a reply to: Nyiah

More anecdotal bollocks again masqueraded as factual information.



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 04:48 AM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Nyiah

More anecdotal bollocks again masqueraded as factual information.


Everything from everyone is an anecdote. Such as anything you also refute with.

You can't carry on with your head in the sand, and think the reputation vegans have arose from nowhere. Maybe British vegans have manners and respect, but American ones are profoundly lacking in them, and it has a direct relation to the blowback they get.



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: Nyiah

I agree with you on that. A video which I seen on Facebook puts it into perspective in a funny and non-offensive way.


m.youtube.com...
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posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Nyiah

More anecdotal bollocks again masqueraded as factual information.


you really like that word dont you, have you got the copyright into it.
you obviously have some agenda with vegans and feel personally attacked when people disagree or generally dont like them.

ive sent a link to an actual video of vegans being idiots but yeah you just keep stropping saying anecdotal, but you can find plenty of videos of vegans being self serving, narcissistic, know it alls. this week peta wanted people to stop using sayings using animals or meat as it offends so yeah vegans in general harm their own agenda. it would be funny if it wasnt so sad, just like your constant rebuttal of antidote



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Nyiah

More anecdotal bollocks again masqueraded as factual information.


Everything from everyone is an anecdote. Such as anything you also refute with.

You can't carry on with your head in the sand, and think the reputation vegans have arose from nowhere. Maybe British vegans have manners and respect, but American ones are profoundly lacking in them, and it has a direct relation to the blowback they get.



they have no other argument they just keep saying antidote apparently thats a genuine arguement



posted on Dec, 9 2018 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: Skorpiogurl
It is an all around Marxist ploy to reduce everyone to the same level. Social judgement via twitter. Harassment for belief be it religious or how you eat. This is right out of the Marxist playbook. Sad really that a percentage of our country falls into such a trap. Laziness and envy breeds socialism. Rather than bring themselves up they want everyone brought down from the proletariat angle. The Hollywood actors and other elites are the politburo. While we stand in bread and meat lines, get to choose from 1 or 2 items in a class of food, they will have all the luxury possible. Keep it up moral high ground vegan idiots. If you get what you wish for it will be your dystopian hell NOT UTOPIA.



posted on Dec, 9 2018 @ 10:22 AM
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I respect vegan as it's not easy and also there's more meat to go around. i suspect that in one country, they treat cows as sacred otherwise there wont be any left to farm the land.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Krakatoa


No, saying that all morals are subjective is heading towards being a sociopath. Or that the chemical response in plants/algae/fungus/ect.. is no different than the response in humans or animals. Or in other words, lacking any empathy towards things that are able to suffer like you.

My point was that you need objective moralities in society, otherwise everything is okay because all morals are subjective.


If you consider animal or human suffering as the same as plants, then what is going to prevent you from torturing them to see their reactions? We "torture" plants all the time to test reactions. Should we do the same to humans and animals?


UGh! It's like I have to justify not torturing living things because you guys want to make some half-assed pseudo-philophical argumement.




It's funny how you label, but don't realize that your labels are much better suited for yourself, because of the level of your empathy, and understanding toward anything, but things that are human.

Ego-centrism, and narcissist tendencies are a real thing.
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posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 01:29 PM
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Nice!



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 01:29 PM
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Nice!



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove

originally posted by: Skorpiogurl
I mean if they really had those kinds of emotions, mowing the grass or even walking on your lawn would be tragic!


That's the natural world. It's a sick twisted volatile place that only the sickest most horrific mind could devise.

What makes nature beautiful is the way life finds a way. It's the beauty that exists despite the cold harsh uncaringness of nature.

Which is why veganism and vegetarianism makes me sad and frustrates me to no end. See I care about animals and suffering myself, but am not likewise delusional about reality. I recognize that eating or not eating meat results in suffering of or the destruction of, or removal of other life, be it directly or indirectly. Life requires suffering and death to sustain itself, that's just how it is.

So, you might be asking, what do we do? The answer is, we accept the cold harsh truths of reality, then, turn around and do what we can to lessen and soften those hard truths in a way that is both honest and effective.

Not eating meat, and going vegan or vegetarian does not actually accomplish anything, it's not accepting the harsh truths of reality, instead denying them, doing something completely ineffective, and creating situations where everyone needs to adapt to your "lifestyle" choice whenever food is involved.

No fewer animals are killed because one is vegan, no fewer animals suffer because one is vegan, whether one is vegan or not farms are still needed and animal populations still need to be controlled. If everyone became vegan tomorrow, the death that would have to occur of animals en mass would be staggering. Many animals that currently benefit by being important to human survival would soon become extinct, no longer having a place in the world.

So again, what to do? Answer is simple and hard at the same time. We respect the truth, and in doing so respect the sacrifice of those we depend on for life. We learn to better use the whole animal, even if it means not always having the best cut of meat. We become more efficient and less wasteful. No more leather cows and meat cows. Use the same damn animals. We treat the animals with respect. Yes we still eat them, but only after they've led a good life, not one where they are cramped, and we kill them humanely. We stop thanking gods for our food (who if they exist force suffering and murder as the only means to live) and start thanking the food itself for it's regretful sacrifice it was required to make for our survival, and recognizing and appreciating that sacrifice.

Where do we begin? One, personal, it starts with recognizing the truth, and letting go of the comforting delusion that life can be lived without relying on the suffering and pain of others. Then the recognition that while this horrid reality is true, such suffering can be lessened if we take efforts towards doing so. Three recognizing that animals have a right to live, even prey animals that would lose a place in our world were we to suddenly stop eating meat. After this, acceptance, we move onto fighting to create a better world. We support only humane business models, we help make humane practices profitable by promoting and purchasing their products while simultaneously doing what we can to hinder inhumane practices, boycotting their product and making sure their practices become no longer profitable.

Once you become vegan or vegetarian, you are no more a part of the solution than someone who buys meat from inhumane factory farms because in both cases neither individual is doing anything to actually encourage humane practices.


Well that's a whole lot of words there. Thank you for taking the time to write all of this. But I am of the school of thought that one small change can make a really big difference.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: DrumsRfun
a reply to: Skorpiogurl




I'm forced to argue with people about the fact that animals shouldn't be harmed... really?


We as a civilization,wouldn't be sitting here right now if we never killed or ate meat.
First man used to scavenge from predators and get their leftovers.
We then learned to hunt and kill and hence we survived.
A simple fact you might not have thought of.

Thank the meat eaters that you are sitting here today and have the freedom to have the choice not to eat it.
In the old days of mankind...you'd be dead.

I respect your choice but you might want to get your facts straight first.





The first men weren't eating meat that was raised on gm corn, growth hormone pills and antibiotics. Add to that the leftover things such as brains and spinal cords that are added back into the feed as well.

The responses I've seen so far are typical to what the OP talks about. The responses to veganism are vicious and probably contain a healthy dose of jealousy I think. All the noise comes from these miss informed meat eaters who think they know better than everyone else, rather than the other way around.

Meat today ain't like meat thousands of years ago. It certainly isn't a healthy choice, so don't kid yourself.


This.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: Skorpiogurl

originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: Skorpiogurl
First you say,


I don't go around feeling or acting like I am better than anyone

Then you prove yourself wrong.


Furthermore, lately it's been really getting to me that I actually live in a world where I'm forced to argue with people about the fact that animals shouldn't be harmed

Sounds to me like you are not telling the true story.

No one is forcing you to argue, I get the feeling it is the other way around.

I have vegans as family members. They are the only ones who bring it up, constantly.

I dont care what anyone eats, screws or worships.

Just don't virtue signal your perceived superiority and we will get along just great.


Well it's like this...
I say nothing and cook my meal and/or place my order. And the looks... what are you eating? you don't eat meat? and then come the endless questions that almost always end up in someone getting defensive without being prompted too. I don't have perceived superiority and I don't have actual superiority. I don't give a crap what anyone eats or doesn't eat and no one should care what I eat in return. That's all. Really.


As someone who's been vegan for almost 30 years, I've also been dealing with this for almost 30 years. Same deal as you. I don't push it on anyone, don't try to convince anyone to do it, and fully agreed, someone will overhear me ordering, or some fool at a party will get all riled up and defensive cause I don't want cake and once I tell him I'm vegan and don't eat it it's like the war is on. GTFO with your bulsht insecurities. Nowhere was I trying to convince you to do anything. Eat the whole cake yourself. I could care less. I will say this though, it's a whole lot better these days than it was decades ago.


Yes, this is exactly what I'm talking about!
I don't understand why the anger for no reason at all!



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 01:57 PM
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I had no idea this post would get such a response. I am sorry that I haven't been answering, I was away. I'm not going to reply to all of the posts and comments although I did read them. Here are a few things...

I would never judge anyone based upon what they eat. Do I have my own thoughts and opinions about it? Sure I do, but I keep it to myself unless asked.

I know there are extreme vegan's out there, I see it on social media too. But it seems to me that ALL vegans are being stereotyped based upon a few extremists that run into McDonalds to yell and scream... That's not fair.

If you happened to catch someone horribly abusing their dog, would you do anything in your power to stop that from happening? Might it get extreme? Is there a chance that someone might video it? put it on YouTube? Ok then.

Plants do have energy and reaction to stimulus, but they don't feel pain. Sorry, they just don't. They don't have a brain or a nervous system... Yes one can eat a vegan diet and get all of the required vitamins and minerals without using that replacement products. Just takes time and some creativity to learn what foods to combine to make a complete macro-balanced meal.

Anyway, thanks to those who joined in to have an adult conversation about this. The picture is much more clear now that I've read the comments.



posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 05:32 AM
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a reply to: bassface09

cool if that choice involves increasing your risk of death that is your choice , just dont say you werent advised as to the damage you are doing the science is there!

same with smoking and drinking

as for your aunt , probably all the meat she ate that gave her cancer before she became a vegan!



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