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Emails may show Comey and others knew of problems with dossier before FISA warrant

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posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 09:24 AM
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Sources tell me the targeted documents may provide the most damning evidence to date of potential abuses of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), evidence that has been kept from the majority of members of Congress for more than two years.

The email exchanges included then-FBI Director James Comey, key FBI investigators in the Russia probe and lawyers in the DOJ’s national security division, and they occurred in early to mid-October, before the FBI successfully secured a FISA warrant to spy on Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

The email exchanges show the FBI was aware — before it secured the now-infamous warrant — that there were intelligence community concerns about the reliability of the main evidence used to support it: the Christopher Steele dossier.

The exchanges also indicate FBI officials were aware that Steele, the former MI6 British intelligence operative then working as a confidential human source for the bureau, had contacts with news media reporters before the FISA warrant was secured.

The FBI fired Steele on Nov. 1, 2016 — two weeks after securing the warrant — on the grounds that he had unauthorized contacts with the news media.

But the FBI withheld from the American public and Congress, until months later, that Steele had been paid to find his dirt on Trump by a firm doing political opposition research for the Democratic Party and for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, and that Steele himself harbored hatred for Trump.

If the FBI knew of his media contacts and the concerns about the reliability of his dossier before seeking the warrant, it would constitute a serious breach of FISA regulations and the trust that the FISA court places in the FBI.


thehill.com...

As always, we should take with a grain of salt anything coming from unamed sources.

But if this is true, it is damning.

If Comey, others in the FBI and DOJ were emailing each other weeks before they used the dossier to get a FISA warrant on Page, that they not only knew that the creator of the dossier Steele was talking to the media, but that they has serious questions about the reliability of the dossier itself, that would be unbelievable corruption.

Its bad enough that paid oppo research was used as the primary reason to spy on a person connected with an opponent of the people who paid for research by the FBI, but if the FBI had doubts about the info in the dossier, and used it anyways without telling the judge, that is clearly criminal.

And lets not forget, the FBI under Comey used a yahoonews article written by Isikoff to back up claims made in the dossier, only to later find out the source for Isikoff's article was Steele himself. So if the FBI knew that Steele was talking to the media, and yet still used a media source as independent verification of the dossier, that is another example of unbelievable corruption.

And we know the dossier was garbage, because it was used to claim that Carter Page was a spy for Russia, yet over two years later, Page walks free charged with no crime.

Is this really the precedent people that dislike Trump want?

Will they be ok if trump gets oppo research on his 2020 opponent, and uses that to send in speies, wiretap people, and launch years long investigations that include raiding lawyers in the middle of the night and charging for crimes that have nothing to do with the original accusation?

I hope that all of this info becomes declassified so that we may all see it for ourselves.





posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 09:25 AM
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Oh, and here is the end of the above article that summarizes everything.


As more of the secret evidence used to justify the Russia probe becomes public, an increasingly dark portrait of the FBI’s conduct emerges.

The bureau, under a Democratic-controlled Justice Department, sought a warrant to spy on the duly nominated GOP candidate for president in the final weeks of the 2016 election, based on evidence that was generated under a contract paid by his political opponent.

That evidence, the Steele dossier, was not fully vetted by the bureau and was deemed unverified months after the warrant was issued.

At least one news article was used in the FISA warrant to bolster the dossier as independent corroboration when, it fact, it was traced to a news organization that had been in contact with Steele, creating a high likelihood it was circular intelligence reporting.

And the entire warrant, the FBI’s own document shows, was being rushed to approval by two agents who hated Trump and stated in their own texts that they wanted to “stop” the Republican from becoming president.

If ever there were grounds to investigate the investigators, these facts provide the justification.

Director Comey and Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein likely hold the answers, as do the still-classified documents. It’s time all three be put under a public microscope.


thehill.com...



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 09:30 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

John Solomon has quite a good reputation and his sources has showed themselves accurate in the past.

It's time for the FISA declass so we can see what really happened.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 09:54 AM
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Our Deep State run justice dept. only looks to Trump and Clinton Whistle blowers....



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 09:58 AM
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The FISA "warrant" is a boomerang that's on it's way back to the creators as a fireship 😎

The edges have been sharpened and will cut deep.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 11:16 AM
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And here's a list of the guilty news organizations. Why CNN is always on the attack. Scared to death!
twitter.com...



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 11:28 AM
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Circular intelligence, for anyone wondering, is used in situations whereby normal intelligence is not deemed sufficient, it goes like this: I provide intelligence to an organisation, with their knowledge and/or blessing, that can then use its power to promote/provoke action using my original intelligence as justification for the actions I promote/provoke.

Just in case anyone was wondering.




posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

We already know that the FBI used the Steele dossier as a corroboration of what they already knew ongoing through 2016, that also includes information received from inside the Trump camp.
no matter what, Mueller isn't done by a long margin...plenty more to come...frustrating, with needing to be retro story inventive innit?
Trump will be knobbled no matter the tales imagined before that knobbling occurs. Tell your mate to get a life.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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And lets not forget, the FBI under Comey used a yahoonews article written by Isikoff to back up claims made in the dossier, only to later find out the source for Isikoff's article was Steele himself. So if the FBI knew that Steele was talking to the media, and yet still used a media source as independent verification of the dossier, that is another example of unbelievable corruption.

If the FBI knew Steele was leaking to the media, then they must have known who he was talking to. They knew the Yahoo article was based on Steele's leaks, and wasn't an independent source, but they falsely claimed otherwise to get the warrant.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: Jonjonj
Circular intelligence, for anyone wondering, is used in situations whereby normal intelligence is not deemed sufficient, it goes like this: I provide intelligence to an organisation, with their knowledge and/or blessing, that can then use its power to promote/provoke action using my original intelligence as justification for the actions I promote/provoke.

Just in case anyone was wondering.


Yeah, that's fraud.


You're falsely claiming the second report independantly corroborates the first. But it doesn't; it's just someone else repeating the original rumor.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: smurfy

I guess you missed the main point of the email evidence showing Comey knew the Steele dossier was "salacious and unverified" before using it to sign off on a FISA warrant.


edit on 6-12-2018 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: smurfy

I guess you missed the main point of the email evidence showing Comey knew the Steele dossier was "salacious and unverified" before using it to sign off on a FISA warrant.



And I guess that you don't know the earliest corroboration came from GCHQ long before...and of course the dossier was always 'salacious' anyway....



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 12:19 PM
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a reply to: smurfy

Yeah? And what exactly was that corroboration?!

James Comey admitted in his congressional testimony that the Steele dossier lacked verification. Too bad he caught himself in a trap for signing off on a warrant after publicly stating such.


edit on 6-12-2018 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: smurfy

I guess you missed the main point of the email evidence showing Comey knew the Steele dossier was "salacious and unverified" before using it to sign off on a FISA warrant.



And I guess that you don't know the earliest corroboration came from GCHQ long before...and of course the dossier was always 'salacious' anyway....


The FBI claimed in their Fisa application that Page was a russian spy, thats what they used the dossier to claim.

Please show me anywhere where the GCHQ corroborated that Page was a russian spy.

If they did corroborate that, and it tunrs out to be false, how is this not the UK interfering in our election worse than anything russia did?



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: smurfy

I guess you missed the main point of the email evidence showing Comey knew the Steele dossier was "salacious and unverified" before using it to sign off on a FISA warrant.



And I guess that you don't know the earliest corroboration came from GCHQ long before...and of course the dossier was always 'salacious' anyway....


The FBI claimed in their Fisa application that Page was a russian spy, thats what they used the dossier to claim.

Please show me anywhere where the GCHQ corroborated that Page was a russian spy.

If they did corroborate that, and it tunrs out to be false, how is this not the UK interfering in our election worse than anything russia did?

Those of us who follow the Q thread have known this for a long time. Chris Steele is former British intelligence. Joseph Mifsud was British intelligence. The guy who set up Carter Page was Australian intelligence. There's far more evidence implicating our "allies" in meddling with our election than there is for Russia. But liberals don't seem to care about that, because they were trying to hurt Trump.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: Jonjonj
Circular intelligence, for anyone wondering, is used in situations whereby normal intelligence is not deemed sufficient, it goes like this: I provide intelligence to an organisation, with their knowledge and/or blessing, that can then use its power to promote/provoke action using my original intelligence as justification for the actions I promote/provoke.

Just in case anyone was wondering.


Yeah, that's fraud.


You're falsely claiming the second report independantly corroborates the first. But it doesn't; it's just someone else repeating the original rumor.


I was simply defining the concept of circular intelligence.



Ignore me, I misread
edit on 6-12-2018 by Jonjonj because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: smurfy

I guess you missed the main point of the email evidence showing Comey knew the Steele dossier was "salacious and unverified" before using it to sign off on a FISA warrant.



And I guess that you don't know the earliest corroboration came from GCHQ long before...and of course the dossier was always 'salacious' anyway....


Have we any corroboration from GCHQ? Didn't the government practically beg Trump not to release details? Show the GCHQ details mate.




posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: smurfy

I guess you missed the main point of the email evidence showing Comey knew the Steele dossier was "salacious and unverified" before using it to sign off on a FISA warrant.



And I guess that you don't know the earliest corroboration came from GCHQ long before...and of course the dossier was always 'salacious' anyway....


Have we any corroboration from GCHQ? Didn't the government practically beg Trump not to release details? Show the GCHQ details mate.


Yes indeed, both the UK and Australia had a panic attack and asked Trump not to declassify all that stuff.

Personally, I think Trump is going to declassify the stuff right after Comey's closed-door testimony tomorrow. After Comey has either fessed up that the FISA warrant was based on a pile of bull crap, or perjured himself (for a second time)by insisting it was all above-board.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan




Yes indeed, both the UK and Australia had a panic attack and asked Trump not to declassify all that stuff.

They would be exposed to be no better than russia or china with respect to election interference or the israelis for that matter.
Some allies they are....



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 03:57 PM
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Shame he still pretends he is even the tiniest bit interested in the pursuit of justice

What a dishonorable and non-genuine person. The zealots on the left like Comey I think are so disgraceful because they genuinely believe they are doing what is right. Railroading someone, inventing charges, delegitimizing his Presidency, risking dissolution, and violating every single written and unwritten agreement between government and citizen that has ever existed. Their lack of a moral compass has been apparent for years (from their strange obsession with sexual activity, to recreational drug use, anti-Christianity, etc) but has really started to show itself now

They excuse violent communist thugs, cheer on government legal abuse and attempt to falsely conflate Constitutionalists with vile leftist movements like Nazi-ism. Their love of equally vile leftist movements like communism, socialism (which have claimed many millions of lives globally) further exemplifies Comey's aggressively low caliber of character along with the ideological company he keeps

The very fact Comey & company remains uncharged with any criminal offense while victims of political persecution (chiefly the debunked Mueller investigation) sit incarcerated is frankly outrageous. Comey & Co-Defendant's continued freedom is an affront to justice and decent society, and an insult to the notion of a fair and impartial legal system




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