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Devotion to Trump is based on emotional patterns most people grow out of by age five

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posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 02:26 PM
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Im sure the responses from our local rwnj’s will only serve to prove your point. a reply to: C0bzz




posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: C0bzz

Yale psychiatrist explains how devotion to Trump is based on emotional patterns most people grow out of by age five

Raw Story: In your opinion, what are the emotions driving Donald Trump’s base?

Bandy X. Lee: The sense of grandiose omnipotence that he displays seems especially appealing to his emotionally-needy followers. No matter what the world says, he fights back against criticism, continues to lie in the face of truth, and above all is still president. What matters is that he is winning, not whether he is honest or law-abiding. This may seem puzzling to the rest of us, but when you are overcome with feelings of powerlessness, this type of cartoonish, exaggerated force is often more important than true ability. This is the more primitive morality, as we call it, of “might makes right,” which in normal development you grow out of by age five.

But, in this case, Trump appeals to that childlike degree of emotional development? Why?

Strongman-type personalities are very appealing in times of socioeconomic or political crisis, as the population is less able to think rationally but is rather overcome with fear, or desire to draw strength from fantastical ideas. This happens to normal people in times of stress, or to people whose development has been stunted because of emotional injury. The problem is, the person who promises the impossible and states, “I alone can fix it,” and gives himself an A+ on his performance, is not a strong person who can deliver but the opposite. So Mr. Trump’s “base“ looks for someone to rescue them and their intense yearning does not allow them to see through his deception, while Mr. Trump senses better than anyone their needs (they are his) and makes use of them for his own benefit—even as he disdains his supporters for being so gullible. In this manner, they fulfill each other’s emotional needs in a mutually unhealthy way.

www.rawstory.com...



This is absolutely true. From browsing ATS, the majority of pro-Trump posts here are simply rants at so called "liberals" without any regard for the truth. Rather than looking towards the future, it's "make america great again". Rather than have an actual vision, they simply bark like dogs at "liberals". Rather than face the truth, they lie and make it sound like they are "winning".

In reality they are emotionally needy. Weak. Fragile. And terrified of losing their power.

The question is to the reader. Are you a 5 year old or are you an adult?

How many of the replies here are going to be dog barks at "liberals", "leftists", "globalists" and crazy insane rants, rather than a rational vision for the future?



ONE OF THE GREATEST OPS IN ATS HISTORY!!!!


They wont listen, their allergic to truth



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

Psychiatrist's are snake oil salesman mad scientists, the history of their profession being amongst the most brutal and sadistically diabolical in all of human history. They prescribe mad science lab drugs to treat mythical "chemical imbalances" which can not be measured or quantified. Then the drugs flow through affecting the entire brain, not mere specific regions. In their view essentially everyone is one way or another "mentally ill", and need to be addicted to their drugs.

Meanwhile, just because somebody might be a psychiatrist doesnt inherently make them more qualified to speak with authority to address topics to do with the realms of the psychology of individuals when in groups: Social Psychology.

As how you cant understand the Mind without also understanding the Brain, you cant understand the Mind / Brain without understanding both Psychology AND Social Psychology.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Your herdmind is showing again.

My two posts herein so far contain the truth about this shoddy OP content.

OP is off base / self-deluded about the matter due to own herdmind, source is off base as such and out of touch on matters of group psychology.

You almost got it right, but the allergy in this affair is people into this tribalist groupthink affiliations are "allergic" to looking too closely at how Social Psychology explains their condition. Its fun for me because the more you understand it the more you see people in groups acting almost entirely the same as the others, like how we all bleed red, but metaphorically speaking individuals bleeding alone their blood would be a different color. They'd each have their own color of blood actually. Until their mind entered the groupthink herdmind state that immediately activates upon sight, then their uniquely colored blood (as an individual) would change right over to red. No matter the group the blood of the herdmind would be red, it'd just smell slightly different depending on the group they're "accepted into their hearts". Individuals = entirely unique and unpredictable. Herdmind = increasingly uniform into being completely predictable. Because the tribal brain is like "lizard brain" stuff, primal urge stuff,

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posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 06:14 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

There is no way any person can be as independent as you’re fantasy one can be.

So practically all people condemn Hitler but since you desire to be so unique it is bad then to condemn Hitler.

So if a mountain is falling on everybody you would not run so you wouldn’t be a part of a herd?

Its called vanity
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posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Of course people can. So much for you making the Outside the Box'ers List.

You second line, you'll need to read the logical fallacy list, to not keep committing that one there.

It's a proven fact that humans get high off self-deception to defend the group.

Anyways:



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: C0bzz

" Yale psychiatrist "

Isn't that just an Oxymoron for a Self Denying Liberal Brainiac who's Sheit don't Stink ? You Lost Me Right there BaaaaRo ............



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: C0bzz

You know people who grow up playing actual sports are taught how to act when they lose its called good sportsmanship.

The democrats are upset because their crooked old crone who is only out to line her pockets lost because everybody else saw her for the crook that she is..

I am sorry for their loss but next time pick a non corrupt individual to have your nomination.
Why are you all not jumping up and down when the heads of the Democratic party had already decided your candidate for you before it was even time for primaries? If I was a supporter of Bernie Sanders and had been giving hard earned cash for his campaign and instead they gave it all to Hilary I would look to be starting a class action lawsuit.

We who voted for Trump did so mostly because we were tried of professional politicians running every blasted thing in country
And spending money like it was coming from a infinite stockpile on useless stuff.
We got tired of politicians signing treaties that did nothing but hurt American jobs
We got tired of politicians taking lobby money from corporations to put laws in effect that let corporations get away with schemes and misdeeds that no regular person could.

I voted for Trump because he knows that a strong economy is one that has a base in making products i.e. manufacturing as opposed to Bush and his lame service based economy which was not even remotely a good idea because lots of companies turned around and moved those services to India and china.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 08:07 PM
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originally posted by: Deetermined

originally posted by: JinMI
I know better than to lean on the words of hypocrite, political hacktivist psychologists.


He's not even a psychologist, he's a psychiatrist, which means he's a glorified drug pushing medical doctor.





You do understand a psychiatrist has both a medical degree and psychology degree, it takes 17 years minimum to become a psychiatrist.
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posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

" it takes 17 years minimum to become a psychiatrist. "


Yeah , and Two Freakin' Minutes to Figure Out for Any SANE Person that the " Shrinks " are More Bat Sheit Crazier than You ..............PaaaLEASE .......

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posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 09:05 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

IgnoranceIsntBlisss you're far from ignorant. Be more understanding.

It’s called ethnocentrism, which begins with a familial, racial and ethnic attachment and even cuts across religions and political affiliation…


In any case...So I can’t despise Hillary Clinton or her murderer husband because practically everybody on this forum agrees with me or I coincidentally agree with them for fear of being a part of the mob
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posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 09:11 PM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

So someone who earns both a medical degree as well as a psychology degree is bat # crazy in your mind... Okeydokey.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Goldwater Rule

Unethical would describe the doctor in question. Hypocrite as well.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

I would absolutely agree with that, unethical is a much better qualifier than bat # crazy. Doctors all have a superiority complex, I would imagine more so with psychiatrists.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Tribalism is racism. Racism is tribalism. Because humans are competitive and once organized into competitive ideological groups bigotry and supremacism inherently emerges. Godwin was an ignoramous as he saw how groups would end up call each other Nazi's but didnt know enough to understand that it happens because herdminders when pitted against each other always eventually start acting like them.

Ethnocentrism: The belief that one's own culture is superior to all others and is the standard by which all other cultures should be measured.
[Racism + Bigotry]

Tribalism: The behavior and attitudes that stem from strong loyalty to one's own tribe or social group.
[Racism]

Groupthink: The practice of thinking or making decisions as a group in a way that discourages creativity or individual responsibility.
[Devotion to Group Oriented Ignorance]

Collectivism: Collectivism is a cultural value that is characterized by emphasis on cohesiveness among individuals and prioritization of the group over self.
[Racism]

And here's what happens to the brains of people who have accepted a group identity into their hearts:


During the run-up to the 2004 presidential election, while undergoing an fMRI bran scan, 30 men--half self-described as "strong" Republicans and half as "strong" Democrats--were tasked with assessing statements by both George W. Bush and John Kerry in which the candidates clearly contradicted themselves. Not surprisingly, in their assessments Republican subjects were as critical of Kerry as Democratic subjects were of Bush, yet both let their own candidate off the hook.

The neuroimaging results, however, revealed that the part of the brain most associated with reasoning--the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex--was quiescent. Most active were the orbital frontal cortex, which is involved in the processing of emotions; the anterior cingulate, which is associated with conflict resolution; the posterior cingulate, which is concerned with making judgments about moral accountability; and--once subjects had arrived at a conclusion that made them emotionally comfortable--the ventral striatum, which is related to reward and pleasure.

"We did not see any increased activation of the parts of the brain normally engaged during reasoning," Westen is quoted as saying in an Emory University press release. "What we saw instead was a network of emotion circuits lighting up, including circuits hypothesized to be involved in regulating emotion, and circuits known to be involved in resolving conflicts." Interestingly, neural circuits engaged in rewarding selective behaviors were activated. "Essentially, it appears as if partisans twirl the cognitive kaleidoscope until they get the conclusions they want, and then they get massively reinforced for it, with the elimination of negative emotional states and activation of positive ones," Westen said. www.scientificamerican.com...


Groupthink is literally to get high off self-deception in the face of uncomfortable truths that should cast doubt on the group the -marks- have accepted into their hearts.

And now that we've cleared that up, at this stage the psychiatrists assessment of the herdmind individuals' emotional states would come into the picture. I wont dispute that, by and large, although to paint every person in such a (often disparate) group in absolutist terms with such a broad cookie cutter mould is called ______.

But where the psychiatrist is totally off base is this idea that everyone but Trump supporters grow out of that emotional catalog by age 5. If anything its only just getting going by that age. And goes off the richter during puberty. The difference is it shifts from parents to peer groups. Then it starts settling into ideological groups as the person comes to terms with their hormones, and become more sophisticated socially & intellectually, as they grow into young adults. This is the human story. Its universal.

Psychiatrist that claimed we all grow up into rational independent individuals at age 5 -except for Trump supporters- was being EXTREMELY intellectually dishonest. Even IF that emotional catalog described wouldnt explain the individualistic rationale in half the people in any mass ideological group [IT DOES].
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posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 09:56 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

So someone who earns both a medical degree as well as a psychology degree is bat # crazy in your mind... Okeydokey.


And yet these people are the biggest Big Pharm hatchetmen, cookie cutter prescriptionists that could possibly be imagined, all based on junk science.

FACT: They cant test these "chemical imbalances" in the diagnosis of the "mental illness" you "have" in their bigheaded opinion, any more than they can test if the drugs they give you are correcting these supposed "chemical imbalances".

Their profession literally spends that 8 years indoctrinating them into an ideological belief that some 70% of Homo sapiens have "mental illness", which instead of giving people a list of brain/mind sciences they need to go read about to mind over matter themselves above it, or the herbal supplements that would likely solve it, instead majority of all humans require addiction to drugs that are tantamount to a chemical lobotomy.

Note the Catholic Church their policy for millennia was to not let people read the bible for themselves, to have to come to their church and pay to get their dose of 'opiate for the masses'.

And today now its psychiatrists that could instruct their patients on a semi-guided self-education of matters of the mind/brain that would help a great degree of everyones problems, instead you just need to come see them every week, confess your psychological 'sins', put your money in the 'collection plate', and then head over to the pharmacy to receive your 'Communion Bread'.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 10:00 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I can simplify that a little I think, they are trained to diagnose people in a way that keeps people in sync with the system, they have the power to commit a person should they step out of the allowable confines of our society.
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posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 10:02 PM
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a reply to: C0bzz

Lol, you just described Obama to a tee. Hell, Liberals even called him a "savior" and even the "second coming". Despite what your filter makes you see, Obama was the one who the Liberals literally cried for.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 10:07 PM
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originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
a reply to: C0bzz

Lol, you just described Obama to a tee. Hell, Liberals even called him a "savior" and even the "second coming". Despite what your filter makes you see, Obama was the one who the Liberals literally cried for.



That just shows there are very gullible people on both sides of the political landscape.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 10:51 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

So someone who earns both a medical degree as well as a psychology degree is bat # crazy in your mind... Okeydokey.



Yes . If they Belong to the AMA then they are the Enemy .....



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