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U.S. Attorney agrees to present evidence of 9/11 demolition via explosives to a Special Grand Jury

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posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: dojozen

I am claiming it's something that would not be used in detonators.

Electric detonators heat up a fuse head inside of a blasting cap, igniting the primer which in turn detonates the explosive.
The picture posted is a standard electric fuse, used to protect from overcurrent. Which would limit or cut off the flow of electricity to the blasting cap.

Now I'm no expert, but the basic principle is there.


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posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: ProjectedLogic

Ok...not clear on if it is a fuse or fuse holder, it is not a detonator and not seeing any fuses.

anyway not to go off topic, here is a thread where we can discuss more
www.abovetopsecret.com...



BB18 from the POWR Busbar Series Dead Front Fuse Holders,



Purpose is to save space and workload in a complicated wiring situation. Decreases wiring terminations, small footprint reduces space requirements, reduces assembly time, prevents accidental finger exposure, quick and safe method of changing fuse holder configurations, allows for future expansion, improves troubleshooting, eliminates power distribution block.”



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posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

9/11 was an inside job. My daughter (15) and son (12) are both fully aware of this fact. I have presented many documents and optics to them over the years to prove my claims and now they are aware of the true nature of the world we live in. They are humble, and well informed, they will carry the message of truth into the future and I am very proud of them for this.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

It is not unheard of, but is fairly uncommon. In this case, it appears they have turned their evidence over a prosecutor vs. attempting to file a complaint/information themselves (which would be much more uncommon)

In most cases, a prosecutor will review the submitted evidence to determine whether or not, by their estimate, the evidence is sufficient to result in a conviction. If so, depending on the jurisdiction and whether it is a felony/misdemeanor they can either file an "information" with a grand jury (which presents evidence and asks a GJ to indict - ie: formally charge - someone with a crime) or they will directly file a criminal complaint with the court also formally charging with a crime. In federal cases (due to 5A) and many states, grand juries must be used for all felony prosecutions.

Anyhow, once the defendant is formally charged with a crime they will be arraigned on the charge and have a chance to plead guilty/not guilty. During the arraignment, a magistrate will determine whether the accuser has met the "probable cause" burden required to bind the case over to trial

Looks like this will at least get the attention it deserves.

2 planes hit, 3 towers fell...and the only 3 buildings to collapse due to "structural fire" were all on 9/11/01 in NYC. Very unusual. Glad to see a US Attorney with the courage to take on the massive corruption within the government. Engineers, architects and public safety officials have come out by the thousands to say the official narrative is unlikely if not impossible.

As we've seen lately, when Citizens lie to government they are persecuted and ruined for it. Time to ensure government pays at least that heavy of a price for any of its lies - regardless of the reason, and regardless of the intent. Maximum penalties.
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posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

Here are the specific provisions of 18 USC 3332

Title 18 is the part of the United States Code governing violations of criminal law


(a) It shall be the duty of each such grand jury impaneled within any judicial district to inquire into offenses against the criminal laws of the United States alleged to have been committed within that district. Such alleged offenses may be brought to the attention of the grand jury by the court or by any attorney appearing on behalf of the United States for the presentation of evidence. Any such attorney receiving information concerning such an alleged offense from any other person shall, if requested by such other person, inform the grand jury of such alleged offense, the identity of such other person, and such attorney’s action or recommendation.

(b) Whenever the district court determines that the volume of business of the special grand jury exceeds the capacity of the grand jury to discharge its obligations, the district court may order an additional special grand jury for that district to be impaneled.


"Such alleged offenses may be brought to the attention of the grand jury by the court or by any attorney appearing on behalf of the United States for the presentation of evidence."

"Any such attorney receiving information concerning such an alleged offense from any other person shall, if requested by such other person, inform the grand jury of such alleged offense, the identity of such other person, and such attorney’s action or recommendation."

So it would appear that alleged offenses may be brought to the attention of the grand jury by the court or a US attorney, and that a US attorney "receiving information about an alleged offense from any other person" shall, if requested by such other person "inform the grand jury of such alleged offense, the identity of such other person" along with the US attorney's recommendations.

Seems like a grand jury will be hearing their allegations, along with the evidence they believe supports their allegations

This is good news
Although we'd need to see their evidence to know whether they have any standing

EDIT: It is kind of interesting as far as the theories regarding this alleged criminal conspiracy. Many (especially on the Net) focus on the where/what/how speculations but usually come up short on the "who." For a US attorney to present this allegation to a grand jury it most likely means specific individuals are identified along with the specific alleged criminal acts and evidence of those crimes. This should be very interesting to say the least
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posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 05:16 PM
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My feeling is that Trump knows all about 9/11, and is saving it as the "Samson Option" if the deep state hits him with forceful removal. Or if he loses in 2020 or his pick for the next President loses in 2024.
He will burn it all down, can you imagine 50 million plus Americans demanding justice all at once, heads would roll.

Maybe this belongs in the 9/11 forum.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 07:00 PM
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This was one of the grandest scales of a psy op as well as a physical attack. I see a lot of the comments saying the truth won’t get out, when in fact the truth is out. If you are a rational person with a heart (IMHO) the only real questions lie in the full motive(s) and full list of conspirators.
9/11 reminds me a lot of the old take The Emperor’s new clothes in how the events of that day have been “explained” away and there are people out there who fully believe the OS.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: szino9

If anyone is questioning whether or not explosives were used and have reviewed the footage...need to have their head's examined.

One asks, who?

GELATIN and E-TEAM ?



An group of artists from Austria rigged the building for CD? And somehow the CD systems survived jet impacts and wide spread fires. Right......

There is a book of their WTC art project.



Gulatin: it a b thing

www.amazon.com...

Description
Product description
At 6 o'clock one morning, Austrian art group gelatin suctioned out a window on one of the top floors of the World Trade Center, shunted out a narrow balcony constructed of smuggled building materials, and posed on it while a helicopter flew by and took their photographs. An unbelievable, completely illegal, and fully secret stunt when it was performed, "The B-Thing" is now unbearably surreal, weirdly prescient, and forever unrepeatable.

7 x 10.5 in.
40 color illustrations


The real crime is the cost of the book.



Austrian artist collective Gelitin: changing perspectives at Galerie Perrotin, Hong Kong
artradarjournal.com...

Gelitin were formed in the mid-nineties in Vienna, Austria and consist of four artists: Ali Janka, Florian Reither, Tobias Urban and Wolfgang Gantner. United by disparate yet similar backgrounds, the artists straddle humour, spontaneity, childishness and explicitness resulting in over-the-top performances and visually engaging art.

Break

In March 2000, the artists took out a window of the World Trade Center’s 91st floor, extended a self-made balcony, and stood outside the building for a little while, just minutes before sunrise. The entire process was captured on camera from a helicopter and a hotel suite across the world trade plaza.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: Woodcarver


There is no evidence of CD.


That doesn’t explain the clear sounds of timed percussive blasts,


Would you like to cite or link to video that has the sounds of detentions with the force to cut steel?



or the fact that three very tall buildings fell straight down at the speed of freefall,


The above is false



9/11 and the Science
of Controlled Demolitions
www.skeptic.com...

3WHAT ABOUT THE ALMOST FREE-FALL COLLAPSE OF THE TWIN TOWERS? The key is the “almost” modifier. If I told you I was making almost $100,000 and you found out I was making only $67,000, you’d say I was exaggerating. So stop exaggerating the collapse speed of the WTC Towers! The 80,000 tons of structural steel slowed down the collapses of the Twin Towers to about ⅔ (two-thirds) of free-fall.3 And the core collapsed at about 40% of free-fall speed, coming down last.4 According to Richard Gage: “To bring a building symmetrically down, what we have to do is remove the core columns.” But on 9/11 the stronger core columns came down last, which violates this supposed most fundamental rule of controlled demolition.




into their own footprints.

Then how were other buildings at WTC destroy or damaged beyond economical repair? Below is a pretty good and condensed rundown of the destruction of buildings falling in their own “footprints”


www.quora.com...
By: Mateo Lopez

World Trade Centers One, Two and Seven suffered a total collapse on the day of 9/11.

The Marriott Hotel at the World Trade Center (3WTC) suffered a near-total collapse (well, more like the two towers crushed the building to a stump) and was demolished in the post 9/11-recovery.

World Trade Centers 4, 5 and 6 suffered various damages from the collapse of the Twin Towers and were demolished in the post-9/11 recovery.

The Winter Garden at the World Financial Center was almost completely destroyed, but was rebuilt.

The Deutsche Bank Building (across the street from the World Trade Center) suffered heavy damage from the collapse of the South Tower and was condemned. It was demolished in 2011.

The St. Nicholas Greek Church (directly underneath the Twin Towers) was completely destroyed when the South Tower fell. It is currently being rebuilt (on hold) at Liberty Park, apart of the new complex.

All other buildings damaged because of 9/11 were rebuilt.

So, technically 3. But if we count buildings that were pretty much destroyed or later demolished because of 9/11, then you could say 9.





Or the molten steel, and the cleanly cut I-beams.

See below



www.skeptic.com...

If 4500 degree nanothermites were used extensively even at the top to cause a supposed upward explosion, then why were first responders able to walk over the wreckage less than an hour after the Tower collapses?
If there were 2800 degree rivers of molten steel in the debris, then why do NASA thermal images show maximum temperatures in the rubble of only 1400°?
If the debris pile had 2800 degree temperatures, then why were firefighters able to pour millions of gallons of water all over it and not trigger the deadly thermal explosions that are caused when water comes in contact with molten steel or iron?



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

Many police and law enforcement personnel in New York / Manhattan lost partners and family on 9/11. Individuals that worked the clean up, and attest to no evidence of columns cut by pyrotechnics.

Think this might be survivors with ties to law enforcement setting a trap for those of the truth movement that profit by exploiting myths concerning CD?



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 09:06 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Agit8dChop

Many police and law enforcement personnel in New York / Manhattan lost partners and family on 9/11. Individuals that worked the clean up, and attest to no evidence of columns cut by pyrotechnics.

Think this might be survivors with ties to law enforcement setting a trap for those of the truth movement that profit by exploiting myths concerning CD?


Or it could be that there are multiple unanswered questions around what happened?
the molten ball of metal and strange heat signatures that existed under the debris is one of them..
the power downs and security changes before 9/11
the video of molten metal pouring out of the side of the building
the fact both buildings fell in their footprint
the fact both buildings have withstood the weight for decades, yet all of a sudden collapsed at the ground level?

sorry, but you'll never convince me or majority of people that muslim terrorists with box cutters flew airlines into buildings forcing them to crumble on their footprints.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 03:49 AM
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the molten ball of metal and strange heat signatures that existed under the debris is one of them..


Metal as in a mixture of melted aluminum, lead, copper, silver, soldier mixed with molten plastics? From a smoldering pile similar to how charcoal used to be made by burying wood? With no evidence from thermal imaging that the WTC pile was never hot enough to support molten steel, much less temperatures at which thermite burns?



the video of molten metal pouring out of the side of the building


You mean explained by a location of a large battery room. With no evidence of cut columns?



the fact both buildings fell in their footprint


That caused the destruction and massive damage to at least six other buildings?



the fact both buildings have withstood the weight for decades, yet all of a sudden collapsed at the ground level?


For the towers, buildings that had a large number of outer and vertical columns removed? From a complex of buildings with deficient fire insulation? That had no water for sprinklers? Wide spread fires that caused thermal stress leading to collapse initiation. With absolutely no proof of pyrotechnics, and no explanation how a CD system would survive jet impacts and fires. Especially for the towers where collapse was initiated in areas of the jet impacts? With no proof of columns cut by planted charges nor thermite?
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posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 07:02 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

This is an interesting ATS post on the WTC power down

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 12:41 PM
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How about the record number of PUT options put on the airliner stock in the weeks leading up to 9/11? Just a coincidence then?

Where were the black boxes of the airliners? The devices that record all data (and cockpit voice recording) of the aircraft. Officially were never recovered right? That's weird.

Who was in charge of the company tasked with security of the world trade center(s)? Marvin Bush. Wow what are the odds?

Surely someone could analyze the debris. Find out exactly how and why huge modern steel skyscrapers would crumble to dust from a fire. Oh the crime scene got wiped spotless and debris shipped out...never mind.

Wasn't NORAD conducting drills as far away as possible and didn't Dick Cheney order them to stand down? Why?

Ever hear of Aaron Russo? No? Ok then. Maybe look him up and find a way to character assassinate him. He won't be able to respond as he is deceased.

Nobody can answer most of the inconsistencies that day. But for one reason or another certain posters here will have you believe they got it all figured out. But you don't, no one here does.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 07:00 PM
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Those buildings were designed to withstand earthquakes and being hit by a plane.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 09:01 PM
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originally posted by: frugal
A civil engineer with a masters degree from the recent past five years explained that when the first building fell it shook the ground bad enough to cause the other two buildings to fall. Just like a massive earth quake. It's all in the math and physics people. It was all pure science, not conspiracy. I trust this person 100%, my smart son. Who is an A student in Math and physics. I might also mention the 99% other students were from other Asian and Indian countries who do not speak English very well. So, there aren't many Masters Civil degree people USA out there to tell you the simple truth.


Yet none of the other buildings across the street or anywhere else in the vicinity fell down due to this massive earthquake...Where was the earthquake that caused the first building to fall...I'm not buying it...



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Agit8dChop



the molten ball of metal and strange heat signatures that existed under the debris is one of them..


Metal as in a mixture of melted aluminum, lead, copper, silver, soldier mixed with molten plastics? From a smoldering pile similar to how charcoal used to be made by burying wood? With no evidence from thermal imaging that the WTC pile was never hot enough to support molten steel, much less temperatures at which thermite burns?



the video of molten metal pouring out of the side of the building


You mean explained by a location of a large battery room. With no evidence of cut columns?



the fact both buildings fell in their footprint


That caused the destruction and massive damage to at least six other buildings?



the fact both buildings have withstood the weight for decades, yet all of a sudden collapsed at the ground level?


For the towers, buildings that had a large number of outer and vertical columns removed? From a complex of buildings with deficient fire insulation? That had no water for sprinklers? Wide spread fires that caused thermal stress leading to collapse initiation. With absolutely no proof of pyrotechnics, and no explanation how a CD system would survive jet impacts and fires. Especially for the towers where collapse was initiated in areas of the jet impacts? With no proof of columns cut by planted charges nor thermite?


There weren't any columns and beams to investigate...They were all immediately cut up and shipped out...The videos are full of pyrotechnic appearing events...Numerous engineers claimed it would be impossible for the buildings to come down in a freefall, as they did, as if no vertical columns existed without planned demolition...



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 07:30 AM
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How about the record number of PUT options put on the airliner stock in the weeks leading up to 9/11? Just a coincidence then?


One, there was a investing pamphlet that advised such action released before 9/11.

Two, I would guess Middle Eastern interests that financial back the highjackers might have an inside scoop. I have heared many of the puts were by Middle East interests.

Three, what the hell that that have to do with actual evidence of CD of the towers?



Where were the black boxes of the airliners? The devices that record all data (and cockpit voice recording) of the aircraft. Officially were never recovered right? That's weird.


A twenty pound box crashes into the towers at over 400 mph. Is caught in the building. Then is part of and crushed by a 110 story collapse weighing over 500,000 tons. Then for up to three months, sits in a toxic soup of smoldering rubble full of smoldering plastic, pvc, computers, and office furniture whose effects has resulted in many first responders becoming ill over the years?
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posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 07:40 AM
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Do you trust any rentacop? And what does that have to do with actual audio, video, physical evidence of CD? And how would such a system survive jet impacts and fires?



Wasn't NORAD conducting drills as far away as possible and didn't Dick Cheney order them to stand down? Why?


One, the military has requirements to run drills weekly, monthly, quarterly, yearly, biannual, annually, and who know what else.

Two, can you provide an actual order from Cheney.

Three, kinda hard for a jet group to practice bombing raids in Manhattan. Or the army to train for mountain warfare in a city.

The military has designated training and practice ranges. So, what is your point?



posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 07:42 AM
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Ever hear of Aaron Russo? No? Ok then. Maybe look him up and find a way to character assassinate him. He won't be able to respond as he is deceased.


So?

Ever hear a detonation with the force to cut steel columns from the audio and video of the WTC ?



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