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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: bluesilver
Another person misusing accusations of whataboutism tyo justify corruption.
The person lockec in the paradigm of right and left that youn crioticize is you.
Only a person such as that would see all of the evidnce of a double standard by investigative agencies, and say that pointing it out is somehow a bad thing to do because you are really concerned with proving trumps crime.
A person not in that paradigm, like me, would realize that a corrupt investigative agency, particularly when its arguably the worlds most powerful, like the FBI, is of far greater concern than any crimes individuals like Hillary or trump committed.
When did I even remotely say dems bad republicans best, implying we shouldnt hold trump accountable fro crimes? Never. In fact, I have over and over and over said if trump committed crimes, he sshould be held accountable.
Do you even know what whataboutism means? That would mean I say "Hey it was Ok for trump to break tghe law, because other people did"
That is no where close to what I said.
I said, the biggest threat to this country is corrupt intel and investigative agencies with double standards. I outlined proof of that corruption, in the fact that everyone knows that chraging small crimes and getting people to flip is effective, as your own post proves.
I then showed that in fact the FBi did the opposite of that by granting immunity to everyone around hillary, which resulted in leaving people go for the very crimes mueller is charguing people with.
The fact that you intial reaction is to basicly criticize calling out this corruption, because Trump MUST have committed some crime proves you are perfectly fine with corrupt investigative agencies, so long as they aare targeted at people you dont like.
Lets say we are looking at a small town sheriff dept.
They proceed to arrest every black man for all sorts of crimes; speeding, drugs, jay walking, etc., while having the total opposite approach toward white men.
I suppose you would then call out anyone who pointed out this corrupt double standard as using "whataboutism".
Absolutely ridiculous.
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: bluesilver
Keyboard warrior?
Hahaha!
Well I am running for office and informing people of the corruption
I mean it is not hi and mighty and noble like you seeking to silence any conversations of corruption by shouting whataboutism
I accused you of being in a left right paradigm because you falsely accused me of that in an attempt to silence conversation about corrupt intel agencies
The crimes that mueller has charged are not different
Lying to the fbi for example
You ignore all of the double standards that have been proven and just say “it’s ok they are different crimes”
Either you did not read the op or watch the video and are ignorant of what you are talking about, or you are intentionally covering for the double standard because you dislike trump
Either way it is regrettable
But hey, you are above a lowly keyboard warrior like me, so what do I know?
originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
You are dead on with all of that and is why so many of us can’t take most of the left leaning posters on ATS serious anymore. The hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a knife. It’s also a big part of the divisiveness in our country right now. Trumps rhetoric doesn’t help either, but that’s small potatoes when compared to the last administration using our justice system as a political tool.
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler
I think I will go with: They did a good job on both.
Clinton innocent
Trump guilty
Im sorry your guy didnt pass.
Thank you for exactly illustrating what I was talking about in the OP.
You know that charging people like flynn with crimes and having them flip is effective.
originally posted by: Extorris
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler
I think I will go with: They did a good job on both.
Clinton innocent
Trump guilty
Im sorry your guy didnt pass.
Thank you for exactly illustrating what I was talking about in the OP.
You know that charging people like flynn with crimes and having them flip is effective.
Cooperative plea deals are employed when a prosecutor wants a witness to talk and they have proof they have committed a crime and have charged them.
Flynn was charged with a crime, because he commited a crime.
Immunity is offered when prosecutors do not have enough (or any) evidence to indict or charge someone, but they still would like them to answer questions when they can't compel them too. The offer of immunity lets the witness freely testify without fear of being prosecuted.
These were two completely different scenarios.
Clinton Aides were offered immunity because there was not evidence they committed crimes or at least insufficient evidence to charge them.
Flynn was charged with crimes that would be very easily proven in court.
A review of those documents conducted by The Daily Caller shows that Mills and Abedin told Strzok and Laufman that they were not aware of Clinton’s server until after she left the State Department.
“Mills did not learn Clinton was using a private server until after Clinton’s [Department of State] tenure,” reads notes from Mills’ April 9, 2016 interview. “Mills stated she was not even sure she knew what a server was at the time.”
Abedin also denied knowing about Clinton’s server until leaving the State Department in 2013.
“Abedin did not know that Clinton had a private server until about a year and a half ago when it became public knowledge,” the summary of Strzok’s interview with Abedin states.
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But undercutting those denials are email exchanges in which both Mills and Abedin either directly discussed or were involved in discussing Clinton’s server.
“hrc email coming back — is server okay?” Mills asked in a Feb. 27, 2010 email to Abedin and Justin Cooper, a longtime aide to Bill Clinton who helped set up the Clinton server.
“Ur funny. We are on the same server,” Cooper replied.
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Mills and Abedin were also involved in an Aug. 30, 2011 exchange in which State Department official Stephen Mull mentioned that Clinton’s “email server is down.”
And in a Jan. 9, 2011 email exchange, Cooper told Abedin that Clinton’s server had been malfunctioning because “someone was trying to hack us.”
“Had to shut down the server,” wrote Cooper, who told the FBI in his interviews that he discussed Clinton’s server with Abedin in 2009, when it was being set up.
FBI investigators shrugged off brazen deceit. An unnamed FBI agent on the case responded to a fellow FBI agent who asked how an interview went with a witness who worked with the Clintons at their Chappaqua residence: “Awesome. Lied his a-- off. Went from never inside the scif (sensitive compartmented information facility) at res (residence), to looked in when it was being constructed, to removed the trash twice, to troubleshot the secure fax with HRC a couple times, to every time there was a secure fax i did it with HRC. Ridic.” When his colleague replied that “would be funny if he was the only guy charged n this deal,” he replied, “aint noone gonna do s--t” as far as filing charges.
There was no recording and no transcript. Instead, a 302 report allowed FBI Director James Comey to proceed with the preordained “not guilty” finding. Clinton had received numerous classified emails, some of which were marked with a (C) on her private email server. The IG report notes, “According to the FD-302 from Clinton’s interview, Clinton told the FBI that she did not know what the ‘(C)’ meant and ‘speculated it was a reference to paragraphs ranked in alphabetical order.’ ”
The IG noted, “Witnesses told us, and contemporaneous emails show, that the FBI and Department officials who attended Clinton’s interview found that her claim that she did not understand the significance of the ‘(C)’ marking strained credulity. (FBI) Agent 1 stated, ‘I filed that in the bucket of hard to impossible to believe.’ ”
originally posted by: whywhynot
Oh the libs know it alright, they have simply reached a point that they don’t care. Storm clouds are gathering.
originally posted by: Extorris
Flynn was charged with a crime, because he commited a crime.
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