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originally posted by: The angel of light
Pfeiffer's claims a purported impossibility of painting on byssus cloth, however, it is more precise to say that it is one of the most difficult materials to be imprinted or dyed at all, only great masters have been able to paint on it.
The gospel of John mentions that there were at least 2 burial cloths on the empty tomb of Christ, one used on his face, a Jewish burial veil, so even Not being the Veronica may be a Christ relic after all.
originally posted by: crayzeed
There is only one small problem with this veil or any subsequent ones. Mr Pfeiffer's explanation of this veil is that it was placed on Jesus's face at the same time as the Shroud of Turin. But examining the two side by side the images do not in any way look alike so technically one of them or both of them are fakes. You choose, but you can't have both.
John 19: 3and went up to him again and again, saying, "Hail, king of the Jews!" And they slapped him in the face.
Mark 14: 65Then some began to spit on Him, to blindfold Him, and to beat Him, saying, "Prophesy!" The temple police also took Him and slapped Him.
Matthew 26, 67Then they spit in his face and struck him with their fists. ; others slapped Him 68and said, "Prophesy to us, Messiah. Who hit you?"
Isaiah 50:6 I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.
This is the way the Veronica Cloth gradually was written down from what appears to be initially a legend transmitted orally among the Christians of Jerusalem on the 1st century:
An explicit mention of Veronica (usually connected with the bilingual phrase vera eikona but could also easily be a Latinization of the Greek name Berenike/Pherenike) first appears in the minor Gnostic Gospel known as the Acts of Pilate ( Gospel of Nicodemus)Chapter 5 Verse 26 (first written and revised many times between 150-400 AD), where, at least in the Second Greek and Latin version of it, she appears as the hemorrhaging woman cured by Jesus (the First Greek version does not name the woman):
1st Greek Form:...And a woman cried out from a distance, and said, "*I had an issue of blood, and I touched the hem of his garment, and the issue of blood which I had had for twelve years was stopped."...
2nd Greek Form:* ...There was found there also a woman named Veronica, and she said, "Twelve years I was in an issue of blood, and I only touched the edge of His garment, and directly I was cured."...
Latin Form:* ...And also a certain woman, Veronica by name, from afar off cried out to the governor, "I was flowing with blood for twelve years; and I touched the fringe of His garment, and immediately the flowing of my blood stopped."...
By the 7th-8th century, a work called The Avenging of the Savior continues the association of Veronica with the hemorrhaging woman. This also marks one of the first times that a mention of an image of Jesus in a cloth appears:
...[A]nd another woman, named Veronica, who suffered twelve years from an issue of blood, and came up to Him behind, and touched the fringe of His garment, He healed...
...And there came also the woman named Veronica, and said to him: "And I touched in the crowd the fringe of His garment, because for twelve years I had suffered from an issue of blood; and He immediately healed me..."
...And all who were in that same place said, "It is the woman called Veronica who has the portrait of the Lord in her house." And immediately he ordered her to be brought before his power. And he said to her, "Hast thou the portrait of the Lord in thy house?" But she said, "No." Then Velosianus ordered her to be put to the torture, until she should give up the portrait of the Lord. And she was forced to say, "I have it in clean linen, my lord, and I daily adore it." Velosianus said, "Show it to me."
Then she showed the portrait of the Lord. When Velosianus saw it, he prostrated himself on the ground; and with a ready heart and true faith he took hold of it, and wrapped it in cloth of gold, and placed it in a casket, and sealed it with his ring...
The story then continues with the veil being brought to Rome before the Emperor Tiberius, who was healed of a grave illness by gazing on it (the story also records that every sick and disabled person present during this audience was also healed), whereupon he converted to Christianity. Meanwhile, in another work, The Death of Pilate, Veronica tells Tiberius' messenger thus:
And Veronica said to him, "When my Lord was going about preaching, and I, much against my will, was deprived of His presence, I wished His picture to be painted for me, in order that, while I was deprived of His presence, the figure of His picture might at least afford me consolation. And when I was carrying the canvas to the painter to be painted, my Lord met me, and asked whither I was going. And when I had disclosed to Him the cause of my journey, He asked of me the cloth, and gave it back to me impressed with the image of His venerable face. Therefore, if thy lord will devoutly gaze upon His face, he shall obtain forthwith the benefit of health."
Here, she is a disciple of Jesus who who wished to have a picture of him. Jesus obliged her by pressing to his face a cloth which then bore his likeness. It is interesting to note that this story is quite similar to the story of King Abgar and the Mandylion of Edessa.
By the Middle Ages during William Caxton's (who translated Jacobus Voragine's Golden Legend) time, the incident in which this event happens was transferred: the imprinting of the cloth now occurs during the Passion, as Jesus makes his way to Calvary.
originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: Blue Shift
By the way this is not my Thread of the Holy Veronica, if you want to read more about that specific relic of Christ please refer to the following thread I created years ago: