Should irresponsible people have to suffer?

a reply to: Fools

This is no ones fault except the people that are in the situation.

It really is that simple. People want to complicate things.
BTW I have a son similar age to yours, so when I say I feel your pain, I really know what I'm talking about.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Edumakated

Or people who don't save for retirement or a rainy day?

I have family that I have been telling this to for 20 years. It falls on deaf ears.

Our entire welfare system rewards people for bad decisions, I don't know if I can blame them for taking advantage of it.
Hmmm work 40 hours or pop out ten kids.

The problem is our system rewards bad decisions while punishing those who play by the rules or attempt to be responsible.

For example, I have two toddlers. Wife and I have been saving for college for them. I figure we will probably have several hundred thousand for each kid by the time they hit 18 at our present savings / investment rate.

Do you think I'd get financial aid? Nope. On the other hand, if I just said screw it and instead of saving money, I just blew it on toys, bigger house, etc and don't have any liquid assets to show come time for them to go to college, I bet we could probably get some "needs based" financial aid.

I saw this same type of behavior during the housing bust. People going into foreclosures / short sales while driving luxury cars, etc. Seven to 10 years later, their credit is wiped clean and they are back at it. Meanwhile, simps like me just paid my bills, drove an older car, and made the sacrifice to pay off my mortgage.

We punish those who sacrifice and become successful through higher taxes and reward those who do nothing.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Ugh! But I will say- I terribly mismanaged money when I was younger and had to be bailed out a few times (help with rent, and once when a huge unexpected expense came up). Those happened when I was working full-time, though. And I was incredibly lucky and blessed that my parents could and did help.

With my situation, I could pay back my folks. Obviously these kids can't pay these people back.

So I have mixed feelings, since I screwed up when younger, and this is a GoFundMe deal, so the people who donate are doing it by choice- they aren't being forced to.

It does seem, however, that FLYING TO A PLACE FOUR HOURS AWAY is absolutely ridiculous. I have a strong hunch that they have not investigated all their options. And I suspect they haven't investigated all of their options because they know there are other options but they may require more effort to get home than hopping on a plane.

You know what? The more I comment on this, the more ridiculous it is. With how early you have to get to the airport to check in and go through security and all that, thier trip home via plane will take several hours longer than if they drove (got a ride if they can't drive) or got a bus.

Let's all pray for those three innocent dogs. I'm the most concerned about them.

How are people going to learn if we keep bailing them out of the foolish things they did.

Way over half of the go fund me stuff is bad for society, people need to take responsibility for their actions. That includes some health care gofundme things too. Lots of times the money donated goes into the pockets of the rich, it would be better to find the cause of the problem instead of treating the symptoms.

I see people raising money because they had an apartment fire to replace what they lost. They have insurance that is pretty cheap for that. I know a few people who got money for things like that and it actually destroyed their life temporarily, the money disqualified them from getting their help from social services because it was classified as income. So they got cut off for a couple of months and made less with the go fund me than they lost.

a reply to: KansasGirl

Let's all pray for those three innocent dogs. I'm the most concerned about them.

Yes just think about that, three dogs and a baby on the way with that kind of foolish thinking.
This is the start of the vicious cycle of poverty.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Fools

This is no ones fault except the people that are in the situation.

It really is that simple. People want to complicate things.
BTW I have a son similar age to yours, so when I say I feel your pain, I really know what I'm talking about.

Yeah, children these days have such a bizarre world to navigate these days. Common sense is almost detested. Up until that very moment when they realize that society does actually judge them regardless of what they believe. And that society has all the power to do whatever it wants to you. For some reason it seems alot of youth in the US do not want to understand that or even think about it. Until it's too late. Then of course their family has to pay out the nose to keep them out of jail or whatever.

Anyway I am thankful, because even if his ordeal is expensive he now is "getting it". He has been drug free since Feb. and has stayed gainfully employed (first time in his life) since then as well. I am proud of him for coming so far in such a short time.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Should irresponsible people have to suffer?

NO.


But many times will due to their irresponsible actions.

I think the airfare part bothers me too, the place they are trying to go to is only 4 hours from here. You would think two able bodied adults would be able to save enough for a rental car.

You would think that the gofundme is absolute BS then and the money is for something else entirely.

I was going to ask questions about 28days - 3 months in quarantine animals traveling overseas need to go through but if this is national even international like in Europe it easy to cross vast distances with very little money, although having 3 dogs does add difficulty.

Is it a 4 hour drive, flight, bike ride, walk?

They should walk the distance and will learn so much from the experience if they can survive it which humans are built to do, adapt and survive.

The younger generation are programmed differently than the 70-80s generations and completely alien to the older generations before that.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

Is it a 4 hour drive, flight, bike ride, walk?

It is a 37 minute flight
It take about 4 hours to drive. It is a beautiful drive but it is very cold her right now.

a reply to: JAGStorm

These are the life lessons that people need to learn.

Just like social media, sites like GoFundMe started with good intentions, but have morphed into a bastardized version of itself. Instead of being a great place for people to seek funding for viable things like business ideas, now the irresponsible people across multiple generations use it as a way to panhandle, striving to have the most emotionally distressing story in order to sucker people out of money.

I wish that GoFundMe would make it a policy (if it isn't) that their site cannot be used for panhandling.

These people should be ashamed of themselves, and I agree that it is more likely than not that we will soon be supporting them and their child. I get the mom's willingness to help, but sometimes tough love is the best help that you can give.

As I like to say in my job, "Your failure to plan does not create an emergency on my behalf."

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: headorheart
a reply to: JAGStorm

While, I agree that people should try everything in their arsenal to pick themselves up, I don't think it is our job to judge if they deserve to suffer. We have no idea how they got in that position.

Maybe they had those three dogs before they ran into money problems? I would not agree to let those dogs loose or take them to a killer shelter.

Maybe they were using birth control. I had a friend get pregnant while on birth control and using a condemn.

Maybe Mom and Dad is their last steps before shelters and the streets. Maybe it is the step they need to get a warm meal and good night's rest before they can go apply for jobs.

I am not defending these people because I know nothing about them, but I am also not judging them because I know nothing about them.

All in all, the younger generation is too reliant on the older generation, but who made them this way?

"Who made them this way?"

That question burns my mind. It doesn't matter who made them anyway. No one is putting a gun to their head to make bad decisions. What in the hell is wrong with you? Why don't you understand that if you make dumb decisions, you get dumb prizes. I have a 24 year old son that is looking at maybe 6 years in state prison. All along for about 6 years straight, every time I talked to him I told him that he was making bad decisions and would end up going to prison. Even with that advice, from me and many others, he kept on with his keeping on.

So, in a nutshell these idiots made themselves. I am ok with making that judgement.

If mommy and daddy bails them out ever time though, why not go back? It is learned behavior. I go back to my post that every single situation is different. However, when the majority of a generation acts a certain way there is normally a cause and effect relationship there.

Most idiots make themselves. Some people really do get the short end of the stick and are just trying to get better. Don't assist them, but don't jump the gun on wanting them to suffer.

a reply to: headorheart

Don't assist them, but don't jump the gun on wanting them to suffer.

I'm not saying we should beat them with a stick, but I'm saying by not assisting them, that in itself will make them suffer and learn the consequences of their actions.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Agreed. A lot of people need some tough love and a slap to the face.

Others are down on some bad luck. While I almost never donate to sources I don't directly know, I try not to judge them either. Unless it is some 16 year old with suggestive photos asking for money for a car. Literally have seen more than one GoFundMe for that.

I'm sure my friends and I wished we had the Go Fund Me cause I made poor choices in life move when we were younger.

Just ridiculous and gets added to the list of the following things which I do not get about a specific type of person currently:

1. Everyone is the same
2. Participation trophies for all
3. No one is a loser
4. No consequences for poor choices
5. I need help Go Fund Me.

a reply to: Edumakated

The VAST majority of people who are homeless / begging are just straight up crack heads / drug addicts. No amount of money is going to get them off the streets.

In many major cities over the last decade and a half many beggers have been found out to be quite well off.

Meaning they have a home to go to and dress in old cloths and sit in an area where many will pass during the day, best is where tourists would go but isn't really a tourist destination in cities so they get moved by authorities which usually try keeping tourist destinations or sites free from beggers and those people deceiving others by making out they are homeless collect more money than what they could working minimum wage and doing hard work.

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: Edumakated

The VAST majority of people who are homeless / begging are just straight up crack heads / drug addicts. No amount of money is going to get them off the streets.

In many major cities over the last decade and a half many beggers have been found out to be quite well off.

Meaning they have a home to go to and dress in old cloths and sit in an area where many will pass during the day, best is where tourists would go but isn't really a tourist destination in cities so they get moved by authorities which usually try keeping tourist destinations or sites free from beggers and those people deceiving others by making out they are homeless collect more money than what they could working minimum wage and doing hard work.

Yup, know that scam too...

a reply to: JAGStorm

Ever notice any town with a casino has young kids "stranded/ travelling?"

I have a hard enough time funding myself! Wish I could set up a magic page where people toss money at me.

a reply to: JAGStorm

I can't speak to where everyone else lives, but rent on the most basic cheap apartment here is about 1400 a month. I'm making just a bit over min wage at my job and 1400 a month on rent is over one and half paychecks. Add in utilities, insurance and food and that's nothing left. These kids also have pets. Here in my town, nearly all places which allow pets also charge a monthly fee per pet. One place I checked out was 80 a month. That just boosted your rent.

I'm incredibly lucky that my house is paid off, which is the only thing allowing me to keep going. Otherwise, I'd be like many of my coworkers and working 2 jobs.

I'm certainly not saying these kids weren't irresponsible on some or many levels, but just because there are Now Hiring signs around doesn't mean getting that job will instantly make things feasible and I have no idea what else these kids are going through. I wouldn't donate to be honest. I will give money to people I know in real life who are in trouble without batting an eye, but random people on the internet in which I can't verify what's going on...? Not really.

a reply to: JAGStorm

they need a greyhound bus schedule, and a box of rubbers. totally agree. My wife won't let me get a dog until I build a fence. I should start a gofundme account for that. I'm being oppressed.

I don't think it's my place to judge whether someone else should suffer, but I believe that refusing the fruit of your ill-conceived wishes is like not getting wet while you're scrubbing the dishes.

I feel blessed to be able to give money to whom ever I choose for what ever reason. I probably would have bought those kids some dog food.

However I respect bums on the road with a sign more than cyber beggars. If you have a phone, tablet or laptop...sell that to get home.