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The "Right Wing Extremist" Fallacy, and Other Thoughts On Leftist Strategy

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posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Dfairlite




If we were to believe them , the republican ranks would be filled with people just shy of open neo-nazism and white supremacy.



They are. The Trump presidency is all the evidence that is required to support that notion, and what is more, its not the only evidence available either. The GOP is stuffed full of racists and fascists, people openly distrustful and hateful of minorities, people who stoke the fires of hate and fear amongst their voter base, not just because it happens to get them seats at the big table, but because they believe in their hearts that their disgusting, inhuman, weak and phobic beliefs are correct.

Try making your argument again having accepted that fact, rather than denying it outright despite its factuality.



You drank the whole 55 gallon drum of Leftist Kool-Aid, din'cha?

Because that may be the biggest crock of sh*t I've seen in a while, Hoss.

I'm afraid that dog ain't gonna hunt.

The fact that someone has the AUDACITY to actually believe they can know what someone "believes in their heart" leads me to believe that you are massively intellectually dishonest when someone doesn't subscribe to your ideological pseudo-intellectual bullsh*t.

If I may ask, how did you acquire these astounding abilities?

Can you pull a rabbit out of your hat and do neat card tricks?

Please, give us lowly plebes the benefit of your wisdom, sir!
edit on 4-12-2018 by MteWamp because: (no reason given)




posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion


The end of times must be near. Evil leftists everywhere, did you check the dark spot under your bed yet? No?


I always enjoy debates where one person (in this case, you) attacks points not made and offers up completely irrelevant comments as if it's somehow a coherent statement or argument that rebuts what was actually said by the other person (in this case, me).




posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: PublicOpinion


The end of times must be near. Evil leftists everywhere, did you check the dark spot under your bed yet? No?


I always enjoy debates where one person (in this case, you) attacks points not made and offers up completely irrelevant comments as if it's somehow a coherent statement or argument that rebuts what was actually said by the other person (in this case, me).



Hey, I am having the exact same issue!

It must be us though, and not that poster!



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf
Socialism is on the rise in the United States. There is also an absurd brigade of self-proclaimed anti-fascists who resemble fascists more than their opponents do. They’ve learned little from history.


Because they keep removing it.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 10:32 AM
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originally posted by: TonyS

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Dfairlite




If we were to believe them , the republican ranks would be filled with people just shy of open neo-nazism and white supremacy.



They are. The Trump presidency is all the evidence that is required to support that notion, and what is more, its not the only evidence available either. The GOP is stuffed full of racists and fascists, people openly distrustful and hateful of minorities, people who stoke the fires of hate and fear amongst their voter base, not just because it happens to get them seats at the big table, but because they believe in their hearts that their disgusting, inhuman, weak and phobic beliefs are correct.

Try making your argument again having accepted that fact, rather than denying it outright despite its factuality.





Generalizations much?


It's ok because it's all true because they told him so because why not.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Grambler

So you have no clue what you said and now we are advocating to kill all Trumpets already?

Of course you would defend a position you just made up. That's pretty much the only thing you have left to defend.

a reply to: Shamrock6

The end of times must be near. Evil leftists everywhere, did you check the dark spot under your bed yet? No?

Muahahahaha!


I did, I found Harvey Weinstein. Checked under my son's bed and there hid Kevin Spacey.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 10:40 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: PublicOpinion


The end of times must be near. Evil leftists everywhere, did you check the dark spot under your bed yet? No?


I always enjoy debates where one person (in this case, you) attacks points not made and offers up completely irrelevant comments as if it's somehow a coherent statement or argument that rebuts what was actually said by the other person (in this case, me).



Hey, I am having the exact same issue!

It must be us though, and not that poster!


It's an interesting debate style, in an amusing sort of way. Not terribly effective, but interesting.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: PublicOpinion


The end of times must be near. Evil leftists everywhere, did you check the dark spot under your bed yet? No?


I always enjoy debates where one person (in this case, you) attacks points not made and offers up completely irrelevant comments as if it's somehow a coherent statement or argument that rebuts what was actually said by the other person (in this case, me).



Hey, I am having the exact same issue!

It must be us though, and not that poster!


Wait, so y'all DID or DIDN'T check under your beds for pedophile leftists?



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 02:16 PM
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Americans really wouldn't recognise the politics of the Left if they came up and bit you.

The Democrats are not a party of the left. They're a party of the middle-right. Always have been.

Hysterical denunciation of leftists in American politics... just absurd.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: Painterz
Americans really wouldn't recognise the politics of the Left if they came up and bit you.

The Democrats are not a party of the left. They're a party of the middle-right. Always have been.

Hysterical denunciation of leftists in American politics... just absurd.


I hear this a lot.

So can you define what you mean by left, and possibly provide examples of parties around the world that meet you definition?



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Dfairlite

The only reason Conservatism has moved further right is due to the left trying to force acceptance of things that weren't an issue until they made it an issue. Outside of that, we're the same as always. The left moves further left because they think failure and destruction from the inside is progressive.

I think we could base this thread around Jim Webb if we needed a person for comparison. He was a 2016 democrat with 80's democratic ideals. He didn't cater to minorities, he instead saw them as equal, he didn't think black lives mattered over all lives, he loved the military, he called affirmative action racist. He didn't make it past round one of the DNC debates. But the ones who said black lives mattered, over all lives, did. That's how far the left has moved, and if you disagree, you're a racist.


that is a very true statement. before I was forced to adopt a position on where transgenders pissed at, I really didn't care. I hadn't seen any, and if I did, they hid it well enough that it didn't matter. Now, I'm racist and homophobic because I chose the mean option of bathroom of birth gender.

If I'm forced to choose a position on abortion, it will also be mean. That might push me to be a full blown NAZI. Can skinheads have beards?



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: Grambler I’ll try. From what I understand, socialism arose at the end of feudalism, the idea being that workers should earn the profits of their own labor rather than it going to their exploiter, and that workers should have a say in business, govt, etc.

Leftist views are generally equal rights, anti war, anti exploitation, freedom to express, working together for benefit of all. along those lines.

Rightist views are generally pro war (or anything that makes profit), pro religion, unregulated capitalism, every man an island/king of castle. Every man for himself.

The current us Democratic Party is pro war, pro exploitation, anti personal freedom, pro control, anti fiscal responsibility. Most of all PRO CORPORATION.

The current Republican Party is pro war, pro exploitation, anti personal freedom, pro corporate freedom, pro control, anti fiscal responsibility. Most of all PRO CORPORATION.

In fact, they seem rather similar.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

Well I disagree with your definition somewhat.

For example, we know that left leaning socialists or communists governments such as the soveit union or VChina were most certainly pro war.

Right wing also doesnt mean exploitation, or anti equal rights.

It does seem to focus on indiidual over collective, but that is not anti equal rights.

The truth is the definitions are fluid and people try to use that to their beenfit to attack the other side.

for example, we disagree on the definitions, but basically agree that the republicans and democrats are about the same and neither achieve what they claim to represent.

So I could say there is no right wing party in the US, because there is no party of fiscal responsibility, and protection of individual liberties. And you could say there is no left wing party.

Despite the label, we mainly agree on what the parties are actually doing.

My favorite definition of late is from Jordan peterson.

he says the world has problems. And we attempt to solve them together as people, or socially. Anytime we socially try to solve a prolem we creat a hiearchy.

For example, we need food; there will be a hiearchy of people involving skills to get food, a few great at it at the top, and many not so good at the bottom.

The right believes the hiearchies are necessary and beneficial and must be defended.

The left points out that we must look out for the people who get mired at the bottom of hierarchies, and also show that hierarchies can become stagnate and corrupt.

Thus both sides are needed to constantly be in discussion to ensure society flows smoothly.

Thats how I look at it.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 03:49 PM
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If we were to believe them , the republican ranks would be filled with people just shy of open neo-nazism and white supremacy.


They are. The Trump presidency is all the evidence that is required to support that notion, and what is more, its not the only evidence available either. The GOP is stuffed full of racists and fascists, people openly distrustful and hateful of minorities, people who stoke the fires of hate and fear amongst their voter base, not just because it happens to get them seats at the big table, but because they believe in their hearts that their disgusting, inhuman, weak and phobic beliefs are correct.

Try making your argument again having accepted that fact, rather than denying it outright despite its factuality.

I honestly don't know what is funnier, that you actually believe this tripe, or that what you are describing is in fact the opposite of what you claim - leftists democrats...



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: Grambler fair enough, and i like your attitude. To point out the war issue though. Yes, governments claiming to be leftist do have war. However, the governments most left, as evinced with strong social safety nets and benefits, are the least warlike. I’m thinking Scandinavian nations here. And the most capitalist or conservative nations are often the most warlike.
Further the anti war movement of the 60’s was largely leftist, and there are plenty left wing anti war rallies, but few, if any, right wing anti war rallies. When’s the last time you saw a right wing anti war rally? Admittedly, in Congress I can think of literally 2 people who didn’t support every war we’ve had recently, and that’s Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders, one from each side, but both are (or were) relatively fringe, and often discluded from their respective parties.
Lastly, I’d agree with you, we need strong, effective social support policies, rather than the current batch which just serves to enrich bankers and corporations. And we also need strong personal freedom, complete freedom from police and govt abuse over things we just got whippings for when I was a kid, rather than shot at like now. And strong fiscal/financial conservative policy. Our current govt on both sides can’t give our money away fast enough. So, yeah. We have no right wing party and no left wing party, just a bunch of corporatist, warmonger hacks whose goal is to steal as much money and power from us as possible while trying to keep us from rebelling until they get it all and abscond.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite




If we were to believe them , the republican ranks would be filled with people just shy of open neo-nazism and white supremacy.


Steve King for obvious starters AND this just in!!!

‘Damn Right, I’m a White Nationalist’ Declares Texas GOP Platform Committee Member



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Dfairlite




If we were to believe them , the republican ranks would be filled with people just shy of open neo-nazism and white supremacy.


Steve King for obvious starters AND this just in!!!

‘Damn Right, I’m a White Nationalist’ Declares Texas GOP Platform Committee Member


That's the logical consequence of identity politics, the same politics pushed by the Democrats. It's just ironic that a republican is thinking like a democrat, as he explains.


“Is there anything wrong with saying they’re black and proud? Is there anything wrong with being an American Indian and saying that we’re red and proud?” Myers responded. “I mean, just like Black Lives Matter, white lives matter, too. We’re all in the same melting pot. Now why can’t we say, as Anglos, that we’re proud?”



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

Agree with much of this post.

But again, it becomes a trick of swapping definitions to claim the 100 million plus murdered within their own country under the biggest socialists countries, China and the sovereignty Union, not to mention the wars they engaged in, weren't really left wing.

This is the no true scotsmen fallacy.

The scandnavain countries for example are far more capiltalists than the soviet union or china were.

Yes, you saw left leaning people protest wars when Bush did them.

How about under Obama? Sure there were some, but there were also right wing people protesting them as well, like me.

The simple truth is there is no doubt that socialism and communism are extreme left wing ideologies, and they are murderous and have killled millions.

Does that mean all of the left is bad? No.

But to colaim war is right wing is erroneous.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 06:24 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Sounds about right

We've been fair, honorable, loyal, consistent, bold, trustworthy, idealistic, tough, intelligent and capable. We've rode a center line (because our core patriotic Republican values are virtually immutable) and continued pushing and implementing (because our positions actually win elections vs. stirring up angry mobs of morons) an America-first agenda that makes sense for Americans

The left, however, has been hypocritical, hysterical, inconsistent to the point of confusion, extremist, radical, violent, apologetic for violence, inciting, twisting, petty, scheming, poor sportsmans, misrepresenting, propagandizing, self-aggrandizing and generally double-talking/double-standarding their way right into the garbage bin of this country's history.

They seek to infringe upon our immutable Constitutional liberties - not just by infringing upon our written-in-stone Constitutional rights (precisely as written in the BOR) but they also seek to unlawfully impose a mob-rule democracy in direct violation of Article II Section II United States Constitution which guarantees every State in the Union a Republican form of government and provides for remedy-by-force to suppress domestic violence, prevent insurrection and generally uphold those core Republican principles in Government as specified by Article II Section II

They are the enemies of the Constitution and our individual liberties. These cowards want to suppress our rights, persecute us and force us (with maximum violence against those who refuse to bow down to their evil, unwanted, unjust and illegal agenda) down the same path other tin-pot dirt-communist/socialist failed States have taken. The globalists/statists/anti-Constitutionalists are possibly the single greatest threat this country has ever faced - certainly domestically, and possibly even including foreign threats.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 06:38 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Straw man arguments.
At no point have I defended or advocated for right wingers.

But I am very anti-leftist.

And the evidence is irrefutable and plain for everyone to see, leftists are the most racist, hateful authoritarian group around.




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