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The "Right Wing Extremist" Fallacy, and Other Thoughts On Leftist Strategy

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posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:34 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: CriticalStinker

What's center? That's the real question. It's not something I can define. That's why I removed the center line in the second pic where I added the baselines. Is center the founding? If so it's probably right at the beginning of the conservative curve. If it's equal distance between both sides it would shift.


I agree it's an interesting question, one I doubt many would be able to agree on.

But your OP is all about how much further left and right the country has gone is it not?

All I'm saying is the picture with your lines has the line to the right further from center than the left line. Again, which you pointed out why you did so, but if they were both the same distance from center.... It would look pretty similar.




posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:36 AM
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a reply to: watchitburn

That's why they chose a people uneducated on our government and poor. They feed these people forbidden fruit without hesitation because they don't care about them, they just pretend to until they get their vote. It's disgusting that the left are so carefree about uprooting and using these uneducated people.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:39 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Dfairlite




If we were to believe them , the republican ranks would be filled with people just shy of open neo-nazism and white supremacy.



They are. The Trump presidency is all the evidence that is required to support that notion, and what is more, its not the only evidence available either. The GOP is stuffed full of racists and fascists, people openly distrustful and hateful of minorities, people who stoke the fires of hate and fear amongst their voter base, not just because it happens to get them seats at the big table, but because they believe in their hearts that their disgusting, inhuman, weak and phobic beliefs are correct.

Try making your argument again having accepted that fact, rather than denying it outright despite its factuality.





A great example of the opinion from a victim of left wing ideology. As long as you remain ignorant of reality, they continue to feed you piss and use you, and you'll love it because you're told it's wine.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Haven't you heard? It was the Republicans who created the KKK and Jim Crow and fought the Civil Rights Act. Not those innocent, minority loving democrats. I mean, this is 2018, I bet they've NEVER called a minority an uneducated negro that can't read.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Bottom line (for me) democrats and republicans want socialism.

Obamacare was just one route to get us there and it failed. Republicans and democrats are still trying to figure out a way to replace Obamacare with the same thing, but with different marketing.


They won't support strong border security because they want to flood the country with illegals.


The Cloward-Piven Strategy.



The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".





We've already crossed the Rubicon, in my opinion. We have idiots crazy commie chick in New York spouting socialism every time she opens her pie hole.


Trump is just delaying the inevitable.


My current hypothesis is that neither republicans or democrats will allow Trump to continue in 2020.

They'll get an establishment patsy and we'll be back on track to globalism and crapping on the Constitution, individualism, personal liberties and freedoms.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:47 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: watchitburn

They know they're the crazies. They have eyeballs and ears, they just deny it in public. I mean look at this xenophobic racist right here! rwnj if I ever saw one.


Amazing. And people in this very thread are ridiculously ignorant enough to say the right haven't shifted because they've always been nutjobs even though we all agree with what the democrat in the video said. The shift left from 2009 to now has been the hardest shift we've ever seen because of puppets like obama.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:54 AM
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Here is the chart with lines equal distance from the center.

I don't have a dog in the fight, I just wanted to see it and thought I'd share.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:57 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

It's about the shift from where each party originally started in 1980. No middle is needed really. The middle would be where stances were in 1980 and where they are now for each party.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:58 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

It's pretty easy to explain. Morals don't change. Conservatives will generally stay center. Doesn't mean they're all perfect, far from it. But the goal line doesn't move.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:58 AM
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originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: watchitburn

They know they're the crazies. They have eyeballs and ears, they just deny it in public. I mean look at this xenophobic racist right here! rwnj if I ever saw one.


Amazing. And people in this very thread are ridiculously ignorant enough to say the right haven't shifted because they've always been nutjobs even though we all agree with what the democrat in the video said. The shift left from 2009 to now has been the hardest shift we've ever seen because of puppets like obama.


You think Obama did a shift? Personally I think his admin was just an extension of Bush's (aside from ACA).

I think it is just the fact that culture has been pushing leftist agenda on the public, demonizing them if they don't swallow it that pushed center, and right more right.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 08:00 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

So our only shot to end the inevitable is to take over the government?



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: CriticalStinker

It's about the shift from where each party originally started in 1980. No middle is needed really. The middle would be where stances were in 1980 and where they are now for each party.


What's so magic about 1980?

Center is center. The literal point of it being in the chart is a baseline. Again, I don't have a dog in the fight, I hate both parties pretty much equally depending on the day. I just wanted to see a different representation of it.

When people keep pushing the original interpretation it makes it seem as if goal posts were moved or the argument was framed in the beginning to suggest a narrative.

All I ask is we see it in all lights and be honest about it.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 08:02 AM
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originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: DBCowboy

So our only shot to end the inevitable is to take over the government?


Not even then, sadly. Who's to say that those taking over would be any better than the corrupt crowd we have now?


Embrace the madness, the bad guys won.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Dfairlite




If we were to believe them , the republican ranks would be filled with people just shy of open neo-nazism and white supremacy.



They are. The Trump presidency is all the evidence that is required to support that notion, and what is more, its not the only evidence available either. The GOP is stuffed full of racists and fascists, people openly distrustful and hateful of minorities, people who stoke the fires of hate and fear amongst their voter base, not just because it happens to get them seats at the big table, but because they believe in their hearts that their disgusting, inhuman, weak and phobic beliefs are correct.

Try making your argument again having accepted that fact, rather than denying it outright despite its factuality.





Ridiculous.

The problem is the accusaton is leveled at anyone who disagrees with the democrats.

So you takre as proof republicans are racist if they want border control. That is absurd and takes away all credibility from you or others that make claims such as this.

In addition, there is at least as much open hostility to certain races from the democrats, and progressives.

Lastly, speaking on stiking the fires of hate, it is loving progressives like yourself that call for the outright murder of Trump voters under certain circumstances.

This goes along with what the OP is presenting. It seems people on the left accuse the right of the very things they do; rather it be becoming more extremist, advocating fascism or hate, or hating people based on characteristic such as race or gender.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 08:08 AM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: watchitburn

They know they're the crazies. They have eyeballs and ears, they just deny it in public. I mean look at this xenophobic racist right here! rwnj if I ever saw one.


Amazing. And people in this very thread are ridiculously ignorant enough to say the right haven't shifted because they've always been nutjobs even though we all agree with what the democrat in the video said. The shift left from 2009 to now has been the hardest shift we've ever seen because of puppets like obama.


You think Obama did a shift? Personally I think his admin was just an extension of Bush's (aside from ACA).

I think it is just the fact that culture has been pushing leftist agenda on the public, demonizing them if they don't swallow it that pushed center, and right more right.


Absolutely I do. He spoke too much about something that ended 150 years ago, he told protesters that would block interstates and major highways to stay the course. He sided with thugs over our nation's police. I was never called a racist for disagreeing with a black man until he ran that race card against the Clinton campaign. We've never had this much division. Not racially, not politically. Racial tensions hit highs that hadn't been seen since the 60's and 70's when obama was in office. His people claim it's because of Republicans' hate towards blacks and other minorities. This is the kind of crap he started and left in place to fester up. Now the same people say racial tensions are because of Trump. They're either way dumber than I originally gave them credit for or they're coy as hell.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: CriticalStinker

It's about the shift from where each party originally started in 1980. No middle is needed really. The middle would be where stances were in 1980 and where they are now for each party.


What's so magic about 1980?

Center is center. The literal point of it being in the chart is a baseline. Again, I don't have a dog in the fight, I hate both parties pretty much equally depending on the day. I just wanted to see a different representation of it.

When people keep pushing the original interpretation it makes it seem as if goal posts were moved or the argument was framed in the beginning to suggest a narrative.

All I ask is we see it in all lights and be honest about it.


Hell if I know what the magic is, my friend. The chart starts at 1980 and I'm just trying to stick to the topic.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 08:14 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: DBCowboy

So our only shot to end the inevitable is to take over the government?


Not even then, sadly. Who's to say that those taking over would be any better than the corrupt crowd we have now?


Embrace the madness, the bad guys won.


Well if we're getting the rodapost either way, I vote for states rights so the people can elect and decide their own laws in each state.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: LSU2018

Those are fair points.

He definitely had some wording that inflamed tensions in the country... At time's they would have the most impact as well.

I still think it has been more of a cultural shift, whether perceived, real, manufactured, or sold as something else.
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posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 08:18 AM
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originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: CriticalStinker

It's about the shift from where each party originally started in 1980. No middle is needed really. The middle would be where stances were in 1980 and where they are now for each party.


What's so magic about 1980?

Center is center. The literal point of it being in the chart is a baseline. Again, I don't have a dog in the fight, I hate both parties pretty much equally depending on the day. I just wanted to see a different representation of it.

When people keep pushing the original interpretation it makes it seem as if goal posts were moved or the argument was framed in the beginning to suggest a narrative.

All I ask is we see it in all lights and be honest about it.


Hell if I know what the magic is, my friend. The chart starts at 1980 and I'm just trying to stick to the topic.


I offered the same chart with a different parameter, one with a different control, that's all.

Since I don't have a dog in the fight, my opinion is both parties have been moving to their extremes because of divisiveness.

If we can all agree on the chart for the sake of argument, it just shows that republicans have stayed more alligned nationally than the left. If you look at the chart, the left isn't as centralized in shared beliefs where as the right has been staying in a closer spread for lack of a better terms.

Both have been shifting though.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 08:53 AM
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Imo, Trump is on the same point on the political spectrum as JFK was. JFK was considered far left in his time. The difference being all of JFKs sexual exploitiations were ignored be the media out of respect for the president. Trump is considered far right by leftists. In reality, Trump & Conservatives are moderate and leftists are left of Stalin at this point in time. The MSM has the people on the left brainwashed to believe that conservatives are racist, when in reality only & 5% of conservatives are racist and the majority of leftists are actually racists as evident by their identity separatist groups. Also, Trump was originally a Democrat & Hillary was originally a Republican. Trump and the majority of conservative politicians are too moderate for my liking but they are still more conservative than the left. Its sad that moderates are considered far right these days. Whether Democrats or Republicans, politicians will continue to spend more every year then they did in previous years putting future generations on the hook for our bills. None of the Republican politicians are true conservatives.
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