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The "Right Wing Extremist" Fallacy, and Other Thoughts On Leftist Strategy

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posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 04:41 AM
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Right Wing Extremist Fallacy

The conventional wisdom among the media and the left is that republicans have been moving to the right at an alarming rate. If we were to believe them , the republican ranks would be filled with people just shy of open neo-nazism and white supremacy. Of course, anyone with a few functioning brain cells and a memory longer than a gold fish knows that this isn't the case. While conservatism has moved right, the entire idea of it makes hard shifts basically a non-starter.

However, what we don't often hear in the media is how far left the democratic party has gone. Sure there are stories here or there about fringe leftists winning a primary or an election, but they are treated as one off events. Certainly they're not indicative of a larger extremism problem in the democratic party, the media tells us. The dems are very moderate and just want to work together! Riiiiiight.

Well here's the data showing that it is indeed the dems who have an extremism problem. This is the distribution of house candidates who won their primary:



Here's that same image with a line drawn up through the starting point so you can see how far each party has moved:



The image is taken from this story which explains that the far left democrat is not actually appealing to the average American and if Dems would just moderate they'd do much better.

Democrats have never been more extremist in any election prior to 2018. This is the absolute craziest the dems have ever been.

Meanwhile republicans have actually moderated a little since their most extreme point in 2010.

One other thing that is quite interesting is the distributions of both parties. The republicans have pretty well maintained a standard Gaussian (bell) curve. Meanwhile the democrats have morphed from a Gaussian curve to a Gamma distribution since the 2000 election. What this means is the party is extremely fractured. They're in the midst of a civil war and the people with the most numbers are the extremists. Now, those extremists are outnumbered by the rest of the party but the rest of the party isn't a unified whole. If you're having trouble understanding the picture I'm painting, imagine this:

You have a four way gang fight.
Gang A has 10 members, B has 7, C has 6 D has 4. They're in a perpetual turf war, who is going to win? Sure if the other three decided to oppose gang A, they could eliminate them, but unless there is an alliance to get rid of gang A, gang A has the highest chance of success.



But the idea that the dems will kick the extremists to the curb is but a fantasy. They've been growing this extremist wing with purpose since the turn of the century. If they did kick them out, they would never win another national election as the republican party has unified (as evidenced by the Gaussian curve). What you'd end up with is a third party of hardcore socialists which would guarantee a republican presidency for the next 40 years.

The Democrat/Leftist Strategy

So what is the purpose the dems have been growing this socialist wing? Control, obviously. The vast majority of americans (prior to millennial's) opposed socialism. Democrat or republican didn't make much of a difference. Obviously dems were more predisposed but even they weren't fans of socialism. Yet, the millennial generation was conditioned to accept socialism. Why, what was the end game?

Judging by the events of the last 20 years I'd say this was the long term plan:
1) destroy republican enthusiasm with RINO's (Think McCain/Flake/Boehner/Ryan)
2) splinter the republican party (they tried desperately to do this during the obama admin)
3) softly lean into socialism, starting with healthcare (obamacare was designed to fail)
4) pack the circuit courts with activists (and kill off Scalia)
5) sow discontent with a slow economy (new normal)
6) open borders to ensure a democrat/socialist majority for a genereation

Where are we now? Well Trump wasn't supposed to win (they never thought he could). How do you know? They never would have killed scalia if they thought the republicans had a decent chance. They predicted mcconnell delaying the vote, in fact, they wanted it (which is why obama nominated garland instead of a hardcore lefty). After Hillary won, his nomination was to be rescinded and hillary was to be allowed to pick the newest SCOTUS justice (afterall, mcconnell delayed so the next president could decide). This is also why RBG didn't retire. Why retire when hillary was going to have a more friendly senate than obama had with 54 republican senators (republicans were supposed to have a razor thin senate margin, maybe even a minority)?

Trump put a major hole in their plans by running on reversing #5 and #6 and winning. Having a republican house and senate to go with it really set them back. That's why russian collusion has drug on. But now they have the house so expect Mueller to finish up soon. They don't need him anymore and his mission is mostly accomplished (no, he didn't get trump impeached, but he did slow down progress on the trump agenda by making many congress critters nervous that there really was russian collusion). Now that they have the house they will attempt to poison the economy. They will attempt to trade permanent advantages for temporary ones (eg amnesty for a border wall that will never get built, like reagan).

Also, they have moved their warfare to social media. Trump winning on 5 and 6 was unforeseen. The idea that those Trump ideas would be popular and flourish awakened them to a fatal flaw, free speech combined with an always connected world. So they're moving to censor conservatives and the right via social media companies. They ran their influence campaign through google in 2016. 2020 will be the year of the conservative blackout. 2018 was the dry run. I expect they'll relent a little until the end of 2019, just to keep regulators away until it is too late for regulators to have an effect on the 2020 election.

Let me zoom back out so you can see the whole picture, if you're having trouble. We have a hardcore socialist contingency of voters, a media whose job it is to keep them socialist and convince the rest of the party that the republicans are not an alternative, they're kkk nazi bigots, socialism is just much nicer. We have a congress which is now divided and at best will accomplish nothing of note. Without congress, trump is only about as effective as obama was (what, it took trump 3-6 months to undo the vast majority of obama's two terms?). We have social media companies who are going to silence the opposition as much as possible without triggering backlash from regulators. And that's how they plan to get back on the socialist track in 2020.

They're going to be extra motivated, too. Because if they can't win in 2020, the socialist contingency is probably going to grow restless and split off from the democratic party. At which point they will be destroyed by their own plans.

ETA: If republican's win 2020 their strategy has to be to push the socialists to form their own independent party, separate from the dems.
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posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 05:13 AM
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I once fell off the swing and landed on the left side of the ground.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 05:14 AM
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a reply to: musicismagic

Did you get free money?



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 05:29 AM
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There are just so many fascinating things in this chart.
1) the entire shift right over 38 years is matched by the democrat shift left from 1980-1990. What took conservatives 40 years took dems 10.
2) The wild lurches to the right throughout this timeframe (according to the media) are actually leftward lurches.
a) 1988 rush limbaugh, much harder shift left than right
b) 1994 newt gingrich, much harder shift left than right
c) 2000 GWB election, much harder shift left than right
d) 2010 tea party, Finally a shift right, but even still the shift left from 2000-2010 is similar
e) 2016 Trump election, HUGE shift left while right actually shifted left a little from 2010
3) 2008-2012 obama presides over the extremist takeover of the party
4) The only period where dems moderated instead of pushed left was 1988-1990
5) The slippery slope fallacy seems to not actually be a fallacy as it relates to dems and politics



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 05:31 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: musicismagic

Did you get free money?


Well, yes, when I got hazardous duty pay in Asia during the war.


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posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 05:58 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

It's really odd to me,
The leftists want to bring in as many immigrants as possible legal or otherwise, nothing wrong with that as long as it's the legal way. Because they want voters for their leftist socialist agenda.

The immigrants want to come here because America is the land of opportunity.

But it's the land opportunity because of capitalism...

I just don't see this ending well in the long run.


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posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 06:37 AM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Dfairlite

It's really odd to me,
The leftists want to bring in as many immigrants as possible legal or otherwise, nothing wrong with that as it's the legal way.




Ummm...what...?

You do see the disconnect in that statement...right...?






YouSir



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 06:53 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite




If we were to believe them , the republican ranks would be filled with people just shy of open neo-nazism and white supremacy.



They are. The Trump presidency is all the evidence that is required to support that notion, and what is more, its not the only evidence available either. The GOP is stuffed full of racists and fascists, people openly distrustful and hateful of minorities, people who stoke the fires of hate and fear amongst their voter base, not just because it happens to get them seats at the big table, but because they believe in their hearts that their disgusting, inhuman, weak and phobic beliefs are correct.

Try making your argument again having accepted that fact, rather than denying it outright despite its factuality.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 06:55 AM
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Here’s the thing, when you are a rwnj, there really isn’t any farther right. Nice try though. Really...a reply to: Dfairlite



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 06:56 AM
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originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Dfairlite

It's really odd to me,
The leftists want to bring in as many immigrants as possible legal or otherwise, nothing wrong with that as it's the legal way.




Ummm...what...?

You do see the disconnect in that statement...right...?






YouSir


Typo,
Immigration on it's own is fine, as long it is done legally.


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posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 06:56 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Bwahahahaha, it really should hurt to make statements as stupid as that one right there. Troll level: Master.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 06:58 AM
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a reply to: soundguy

Par for the course, no real argument (I mean, how could you, the data is blatantly obvious) just some snide (and weak) remark about nut jobs.
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posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 06:58 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Dfairlite




If we were to believe them , the republican ranks would be filled with people just shy of open neo-nazism and white supremacy.



They are. The Trump presidency is all the evidence that is required to support that notion, and what is more, its not the only evidence available either. The GOP is stuffed full of racists and fascists, people openly distrustful and hateful of minorities, people who stoke the fires of hate and fear amongst their voter base, not just because it happens to get them seats at the big table, but because they believe in their hearts that their disgusting, inhuman, weak and phobic beliefs are correct.

Try making your argument again having accepted that fact, rather than denying it outright despite its factuality.





Spoken like a true racist scumbag leftist.

At least you people make yourselves easy to spot.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:02 AM
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a reply to: watchitburn

They know they're the crazies. They have eyeballs and ears, they just deny it in public. I mean look at this xenophobic racist right here! rwnj if I ever saw one.

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posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:03 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

The GOP certainly has individuals that are racist, as does the left...the left are simply more outspoken and blatant with their racism.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:19 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

You should add an image with the lines on the chart equal distance from center as well.

Yours has the line for the right wing further from center, which is OK as you've stated you were showing net change from the baseline year.


I just think one with equal distance lines would be helpful too to see overall differences.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:20 AM
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Bret Weinstein, who himself is far left leaning, has been ostracized by the authoritarian left for the crime of having his own thoughts and not acquiescing to the narrative like the fatling to a knife. When giving lectures today he acknowledges that the audience is now over 90% center-right. The authoritarian left will not even allow him to speak in their presence. These the same people who claim to fight in the streets against fascism. This so-called revolution is already eating its own before they have even revolutionized a damn thing. Any fool from the shore can see that this ship is taking on water. The only question that remains is how many souls will it drag with it to the bottom.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:28 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

The only reason Conservatism has moved further right is due to the left trying to force acceptance of things that weren't an issue until they made it an issue. Outside of that, we're the same as always. The left moves further left because they think failure and destruction from the inside is progressive.

I think we could base this thread around Jim Webb if we needed a person for comparison. He was a 2016 democrat with 80's democratic ideals. He didn't cater to minorities, he instead saw them as equal, he didn't think black lives mattered over all lives, he loved the military, he called affirmative action racist. He didn't make it past round one of the DNC debates. But the ones who said black lives mattered, over all lives, did. That's how far the left has moved, and if you disagree, you're a racist.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:30 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

What's center? That's the real question. It's not something I can define. That's why I removed the center line in the second pic where I added the baselines. Is center the founding? If so it's probably right at the beginning of the conservative curve. If it's equal distance between both sides it would shift.



posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:30 AM
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