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Dark Energy and Gravity are one, and neither are actual forces.

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posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 07:38 PM
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Picture a tyre rotating. This tyre is very elastic. There are pebbles in this tyre, scattered throughout the inner surface. Some of the pebbles are close, others far apart. As the tyre spins fast pebbles move further from the center (a point they can useally never go back to, almost always outward) and average distance between the pebbles increases with the circumference as is seen with dark energy. The pebbles which are relatively close will draw toward each other trying to escape the center point due to Centrafugal effect. This is gravity. Now as you go faster and faster agaist the curve you reach a point where you are pushing out of the universe due to your curved path trying to straighten, like sliding off a road into a guard rail on a corner. The faster you go, the less energy goes into moving forward due to elasticity and direction. Now instead of a tyre, this is a hypersphere with multidimensional rotation.

I don't have the connection for the physics knowledge I need now, so I can not write the equations.
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posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: JohanikaDeVries

Except for gravity is a force. You pull on the planet, just as much as it pulls on you. Some places on earth have more of a gravitational pull because there are denser pockets between you and the center of the planet. You would weigh less on a smaller planet, because the relation between your mass and that planets mass would be a smaller ratio.

spaceplace.nasa.gov...
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posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: Woodcarver
The higher densities have mord Centrafugal effect, keep in mind I wrote an analogue, not a real picture. Asko keep in mind that you have to consider a minimum of four known diminsions, with time having all three that you interact with.



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: JohanikaDeVries

so if i follow you correct,
a planet spinning on the edge of the milky way will experience more gravity than the planets closer to the center?
where the galaxy is the tire and the planets are the pebbles?



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 07:58 PM
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a reply to: subfab

No, it will encounter more resistance to orbiting the black hole, and be prone to leave that orbit if it is futher out.



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: JohanikaDeVries

okay i'm lost.

how does a tire spinning explain gravity?



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 08:03 PM
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a reply to: subfab

The tyre is the universe. The pebbles are objects of mass. The mass protruding the boundaries of the tires causing interaction is gravity, the stretching between objects as they push out in other directions is dark energy. The angle of force in any direction putting pressure on the surface is what causes difficulty with acceleration at high velocity. I though it was a good analogue. But you have to picture the universe as a hypersphere rotating in all directions.



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: JohanikaDeVries

thank you



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 08:14 PM
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originally posted by: JohanikaDeVries
a reply to: subfab

The tyre is the universe. The pebbles are objects of mass. The mass protruding the boundaries of the tires causing interaction is gravity, the stretching between objects as they push out in other directions is dark energy. The angle of force in any direction putting pressure on the surface is what causes difficulty with acceleration at high velocity. I though it was a good analogue. But you have to picture the universe as a hypersphere rotating in all directions.


The issue that caused science to consider dark matter and dark energy is that galaxies are rotating but they should be flinging out stars from the outer arms. Instead, the outer arms are chugging around at great velocity with nothing to hold them in place.

So it is theorized that there is a stack of hidden matter and energy pushing things around and keeping the outer edges of galaxies there.

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posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 08:16 PM
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like air provides resistance to objects falling through the atmosphere?
something in space is providing resistance to the planets to keep them in the arms of the galaxy?



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 08:22 PM
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originally posted by: JohanikaDeVries
a reply to: Woodcarver
The higher densities have mord Centrafugal effect, keep in mind I wrote an analogue, not a real picture. Asko keep in mind that you have to consider a minimum of four known diminsions, with time having all three that you interact with.
Time is only one dimension and centrifugal force has nothing to do with gravity. Have you taken any physics classes?
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posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 08:24 PM
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originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: chr0naut

like air provides resistance to objects falling through the atmosphere?
something in space is providing resistance to the planets to keep them in the arms of the galaxy?


Yes, either an expulsive force from outside the galaxy (pushing the stars inward) or more likely the galaxy is peppered throughout with far more mass, mass that extends far out beyond the limit of what we can see. That mass holds the stuff we can see, closer to the center of the (invisible) galaxy.



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

thank you



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: JohanikaDeVries

Your assuming that there is a center point. A place in the universe that is equal distance from all other places.

A place for the "rocks" to be moving away from.

Where would that place be?

As far as I know science has not found any such place nor does the math show that a center exists.



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 09:05 PM
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a reply to: scraedtosleep

Mathematically the center of a circle does not exist on the circumference.



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: JohanikaDeVries
Picture a tyre rotating. This tyre is very elastic. There are pebbles in this tyre, scattered throughout the inner surface. Some of the pebbles are close, others far apart. As the tyre spins fast pebbles move further from the center (a point they can useally never go back to, almost always outward) and average distance between the pebbles increases with the circumference as is seen with dark energy. The pebbles which are relatively close will draw toward each other trying to escape the center point due to Centrafugal effect. This is gravity. Now as you go faster and faster agaist the curve you reach a point where you are pushing out of the universe due to your curved path trying to straighten, like sliding off a road into a guard rail on a corner. The faster you go, the less energy goes into moving forward due to elasticity and direction. Now instead of a tyre, this is a hypersphere with multidimensional rotation.

I don't have the connection for the physics knowledge I need now, so I can not write the equations.


Yeah. OK. Uh huh.
I think I'll just wait for the English translation.

I mean, Damn.

Personally, I'd rather discuss physics with someone who can actually spell "centrifugal".

But that's just me...

Carry on...



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 09:14 PM
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the universe is a mental construct with the self being the central force

all the reductionist dead ends to understanding the universe will never lead you to the ultimate truth



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 09:49 PM
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Great topic.

The crux of the matter is them finding out the universe has been speeding up rather than, as they supposed, slowing down.
Only some kind of DARK undetected ENERGY can be responsible for this.



Then came 1998 and the Hubble Space Telescope (HST) observations of very distant supernovae that showed that, a long time ago, the universe was actually expanding more slowly than it is today. So the expansion of the universe has not been slowing due to gravity, as everyone thought, it has been accelerating. No one expected this, no one knew how to explain it. But something was causing it.


science.nasa.gov...



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 11:04 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Or it is because we calculate everything in a vacuum, while in reality space is everything but empty. Think about it: light can push objects out of their path. That's just one of the many radiations we don't consider when contemplating gravity and such in the universe.

It's a swamp no ice shield if you excuse that metaphor.
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posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 12:05 AM
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a reply to: JohanikaDeVries

The Universe is a megalythic nucleus, an utlra super mega jumbo hyper superstructure of layers upon layers of valence shells all duking it it out. Force(s) be involved.





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