Ukrainian leadership is a party of war - Putin

Putin: "When I look at this latest incident in the Black Sea, all what’s happening in Donbass – everything indicates that the current Ukrainian leadership is not interested in resolving this situation at all, especially in a peaceful way. This is a party of war and as long as they stay in power, all such tragedies, all this war will go on,” Putin told reporters during a media conference in the aftermath of the G20 summit in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

Ukrainian leadership is a party of war - Putin

The continued provocations in Donbass and most recently in Kerch strait, show the Ukrainian crisis may quickly evolve into something much bigger. In case of a direct conflict between Russia and Ukraine, not for three seized boats but with tanks, the big question remains: will NATO intervene, and thus making it Russia-NATO conflict, with the potential of becoming a nuclear one? I want to believe that wouldn't happen. Not all in NATO think war-like. Still, the warnings of the Russian president, some of them much more dare than this latest one, should be taken seriously by the Western politicians.

my personal belief, that doesn't have to agree with anyone, is that only extraterrestrial angelic powers hold on FOR NOW the Nuclear War...the red deadline might be crossed ANY MOMENT...

a reply to: 2012newstart

Money, Arms, War, Profit

a reply to: 2012newstart

Historical fact.

Most Ukrainian's wanted to stay friends with Russia.

The group whom overthrew the democratically elected government were funded by external sources and of course we all know whom but perhaps NOT entirely why though oil and regional influence were definitely on the table.

The Ukrainian faction now in power hero worship's the NAZI's of WW2 and indeed are descendant's of those whom committed atrocity's against there fellow Ukrainian's, Ukrainian polish and Russian's.

Ukraine was to Russia what Wales is to England.

The Crimea was always part of Russia AND is by majority ethnically Russian UNTIL Khrushchev placed it under Ukrainian Administration at a time when the Soviet union was one country and this was merely like a boundary change for administration purposes BUT of course much to the chagrin of those that funded the COUP in the Ukraine it is also were the bulk of the oil that they thought they were going to get there mit's on is located.
www.wilsoncenter.org...

So Crimea is REALLY part of RUSSIA, populated mainly by Ethnic Russian's and was only put under Ukrainian administration by Nikita whom was actually himself Born in Kalinovka so himself had very strong ties to the Ukraine but not to the fascist scum that have recently been given backing by deluded people over on our side of the former iron curtain.
en.wikipedia.org...

The ousted leader WAS democratically elected, the current leadership was put in power by a coup so are they even a legitimate government?.

What happened to NEVER AGAIN?.

They most certainly are a party of war and to be frank I would rather let the Russian's have the lot of them, they would be a hell of a lot kinder though than Neo Nazi fascist scum bag's like them deserve.

Here is a bit on the controversy about the Genocide of Ethnic Polish whom lived on the Ukrainian side of the border with Poland - in community's that were hundreds of years old.
www.timesofisrael.com...

www.stalkerzone.org...

Why has the world forgotten NEVER AGAIN?.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Interesting. The UFOs are often seen over nuclear facilities and there are many documented cases where these UFOs have actually gained some kind of control over them, by in some cases deactivating them and one case in Russia where they activated a launch command to the consternation of the Russians.

Ukraine, many don’t know use to have one-third of the nuclear arsenal of what use to be a part of the old Soviet Union.
Though, the weapons were controlled electronically from Russia, so actually they were useless or would have entailed too much trouble to activate them so the Ukrainians denuclearized and destroyed the weapons.

Hopefully, some kind of power other than human beings has some input in this or we might be in a world of trouble.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Why is NATO supposed to intervene? Ukraine is not a member as far as I know.

The Russians have been annexing Polish (from WWII) and Ukrainian land for a long time now, they have not earned it other than military might and arrogance. Hey, by the way, give my family back it's prime farming land, dickheads.

a reply to: 2012newstart

so putin is about to finish the job huh, i was wondering when he was gonna make his move.

And Putin is the cheary peace loving type he wouldn’t say perpetrate bombings in his own capital to push a war agenda or anything.... Even if he did that he surely wouldn’t send goons to murder a dissident whistleblower on said bombings in an extremely slow and painful way through the use of radioactive pulonium poising after said resident had gained asylum in another sovereign nation........

Oh wait nevermind.....

Not to mention his actions when it comes to Ukraine.

Palm meet face

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: LABTECH767

Why is NATO supposed to intervene? Ukraine is not a member as far as I know.

It's regional politics AND financial interests that have nothing to do with the people - the Electorate of western Europe or indeed the US but a hell of a lot to do with private financial interests whom are using our military via the American's (and are the real force behind a push for a EU military that they can also then control) to take assets that are NOT there's by force if necessary.
You only have to look at the footprint's in the sand from recent history from the second Iraq war to the Syrian invasion.
They went badly wrong but someone made a hell of a lot of money out of them before they did and not only arms dealers.
Iraq, Bush had very strong personal ties to the oil industry and was a full paid up member of the military industrial complex that General then President Eisenhower warned against in a vein attempt to save his nation from there growing power decades earlier, sadly he failed and the monster they had created gobbled up the American government system worming it's way into the highest positions of power AND the lowest (perhaps a far more insidious and evil enemy of the US constitution and it's people than the Soviet union could ever have pretended to be but of course hidden from the public for the most part as it spread it's slimy tentacles across not only the state's but the entire globe).

THE MIC has long since circumvented the US constitution and by default NATO etc.
Similarly Afghanistan, it was all about the potential for vast oil deposits in the country and MORE about a proposed pipeline that would have fed Oil from the now mostly American (Corporate not nation) controlled oil field's of former soviet republic's and the burgeoning economy of western CHINA via Helmand province, it was literally a pipe dream no pun intended that never came to be since they were never able to stabilize the country.
Of course Libya has plenty of Oil still despite it's mature oil field's and so does Syria.

So as dfnj2015 say's, Money, Arm's, War, Profit but add Oil as well.
www.courtfool.info...

a reply to: BigDave-AR

He's definitely not a saint (is there a single politician anywhere in the world whom is?) but despite being a former KGB colonel he was not really the field agent type more of a desk jockey in administration - then again he was KGB and let's say human right's were not there priority back then much like the CIA today.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: BigDave-AR

He's definitely not a saint (is there a single politician anywhere in the world whom is?) but despite being a former KGB colonel he was not really the field agent type more of a desk jockey in administration - then again he was KGB and let's say human right's were not there priority back then much like the CIA today.

He wasn’t merely a KGB/FSB colonel at the time he was the director of the FSB at the time of the incident and its widely believed to have gained him the leg up in seizing his power. I’m not saying that Ukraine is morally superior just that Putin’s Russia is the much bigger of two evils. Everyone knows that Putin would give his left nut to regain the Soviet republics and Ukraine is the former republic that he desires the most. Comparing the actions of the CIA (especially post Cold War) to the FSB is ridiculous again neither is innocent but the KGB/FSB have always been far more ruthless and deadly.

a reply to: Willtell

There could be some weapons remained in secret bunkers. The US ex-secretary of defense William Cohen said years ago, as it goes to the tactical nuclear weapons, nobody in Russia don't know how many there are or where they are. Imagine a scenario Ukrainian ultranationalist group finds such a weapon.

Robert McNamara said, not only the Cuban crisis, but on three different occasions USSR and USA were so near to nuclear war, and they finally "lucked out", despite being rational individuals.


And yes I believe ETs and UFOs actively play a role in the politics on Earth related to the nuclear weapons. Whether they demonstratively shut down silos and intercept warheads, something shown on CNN documentary, or whether they stopped individuals from taking crucial decisions, the more common way of action. It matters little if we call the God's angels or ETs from...a star that speaks to us nothing. Left on us humans, we would end up with a nuclear version of WW2 many times over, I have no doubt it in. Humans are cruel, as the Latin saying goes "Homo homini lupus est".

originally posted by: LABTECH767
Most Ukrainian's wanted to stay friends with Russia.

While I am sure Ukrainian wast friendly relations with Russia, they don't have them at the moment and as a consequence attitudes towards Russia are negative.

Ukrainian attitudes was positive up until 2010 in polls, although similar polls in Russia showed a Russians did not reciprocate the positive feelings. Russian opinion of Ukraine began to falter in around 2008 and the catalyst was Ukrainian support for Georgia which was the target of Russian aggression, and Russia cutting off the gas supply yo Ukraine. From 2010 onwards Ukrainian attitudes towards Russia began to become more negative due to general unfriendliness of Russian policy towards Ukraine. 2014 saw Ukrainian attitudes to Russia plummet, for obvious reasons, not least Russian meddling and belligerence.

Here, you can go and look it up yourself... KIIS

a reply to: LABTECH767

They want Russia to stay out of their business, while remaining friends. Russia is not interested in staying out of their business. Even Crimea wants Russia to respect their self rule and not interfere.

a reply to: toms54

From 2003 I think Ukraine & Russia had a deal that any ship trying to sail up the Black Sea was meant to get pernission fist. Up untill last Sunday the Ukrainian ships would and get permission straight away. A couple of days before the Ukrainian President was visiting Neo-Con backers in the U.S at the state department.

a reply to: InTheLight

Crimea has been passed between Russia & The Ukraine for centuries. The last time Russia made a deal that Ukraine would get Crimea and Russia would keep their naval base in Sevastapol & keep a few thousand troops there. Russia only has about 5 foreign millitary bases outside of Russia.

originally posted by: 11SK1180
Russia only has about 5 foreign millitary bases outside of Russia.

Including the occupied Crimea, Russia has military bases in ten other countries.

a reply to: 2012newstart

I won't support a war of aggression nor a police action to broaden our reach or lessen an opponents expansion.

There are seasons to everything. It is an American military winter. Pull the tanks and bombers in and close the doors for some time.

Let the world settle. Let the winds of change blow and run their course.

a reply to: BigDave-AR

I actually would not say the bigger of two evil's but Russia is definitely the more potentially dangerous and has become bed fellow's with some pretty nasty regime's that is a fact BUT taking Ukraine on side we lose the moral high ground, it is one thing to have an adversary, maybe even an enemy that you know but quite a lot more dangerous to make another enemy your friend when in turn they will poison the whole body.

To be frank the majority of the Ukrainian people are probably decent enough folk but at the moment Ukraine is a very evil nation governed by a morally inferior and vile government whom must stink to high heaven before God like a giant Nazi turd on the face of the planet.

The problem's with Russia were sown over a very long time and it is also right to point out that it take's two to tango, both sides of that argument have good and bad and have done good and bad equally, more so Russia during the soviet period but once they came out of it even though today Putin is in fact a dictatorship - perhaps even a democratically elected one or then again maybe not - an opportunity was missed to bring them closer to the west and instead because it served certain very powerful vested interests they were pushed into the arm's of China whom they do not even really like in part because back in the 50's Stalin tried to take over China and bully Mao (two of the dragon's heads fighting one another) but Mao took offense and sent the Soviet's packing routing there attempted invasion in a short war that most in the west have forgotten - but not the first time the Chinese have sent a Russian army packing either they once did so using firework's against an imperial Russian army at the very start of the 20th century.

Paraphi that is a good point about Georgia, the Russian's did use VERY dirty tactic's in that war that amount to war crime's and multiple breaches of the Geneva Convention.
www.bbc.co.uk...
Now we do also have to remember that it was Putin that called the break up of the former soviet union the greatest geopolitical disaster of all time, he would do anything to get those areas that Stalin once took control of at the tail end of the second world war back under his own thumb and that does include committing atrocity's.
So you do make an excellent point, to be fair mine is more ideological since I hate NAZI's full stop and if they were NOT a very big part of the picture then I would have a lot more sympathy for the Ukraine but sadly they are a very BIG part of the Ukrainian equation.

OccamsRazor04 Another great point but that make's them sound a bit like us in yesteryear and the US today, poking our nose in were we once - and perhaps still do have - had strong regional influence and of course interests.
So were that point is concerned it is both merited and also unfortunately predictable, Russia is a vast country that much like us with our former colonies and regional influence around the world still has stakes in those regions' that were formerly under it's control - need's to let them go but easier said than done when vested interests are at stake - and so end's up interfering in way's that it/they definitely should not be.