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British Government on the Verge of Collapse.

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posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 11:03 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I don't see riots on the cards nether, just because of winter to be honest.


May keeps swerving and dodging that Tuesday debacle all the same and things might change before 21 January materializes.

Protests are certainly not beyond the realms of possibility.

She better pray for a white Xmas and hope a load of disgruntled citizens don't get fur-lined high vis vest for Christmas if she keeps playing the game that she is.




posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Boris seems to think the EU fears no deal just as much as the UK. I wouldn't be so sure. And March is really soon. Whatever they come up with as solution it should happen fast.
The question remains how will the people react once parliament decided? It's a serious thriller unfolding.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin




No the issue is much more complex than that.

No
The government not doing what the people vote for is not complex.



Which leaves us one final option, the peoples vote, let the people decide, now Brexit reality is clear and lets remember that Vote Leave have faced several serious accusations around their actions back then.

Did any of those effect the vote count?



They one with a little over 1% of the vote.

Was it required to get more than that? If you have your second vote will 1% be enough for your win or will you require more? What is enough?



They won despite having al of Scotland, Ireland and London screaming that they want to remain in the EU.

Will those be qualifiers as well?



So go back to the polls, call it a "confirmation vote". Let the people decide, when parliament can't, which, make no mistake is the situation right now then let the people decide.

Oh cause the government will do what the people want that time right?
Cause they seem to have a history of not doing that now right?




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posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

or to crash out with no-deal and face a crisis.


I'd go with that!




I can't see any good counter argument for a second referendum, honestly I don't know of one good reason behind it other than that we are running out of time fast to have one.


They haven't implemented the result of the first one yet!!




Parliament is at grid-lock in a way that is almost unprecedented in British politics. She has very few options under UK law and actually the only option is to have a peoples vote.


They did have one...... The people voted LEAVE




No-Deal, which is disaster for the UK, its not project fear, its reality, no deal is economic and political crisis on the scale we have not seen in this country for generations. Its massive interruption to food supplies, pound crashing, medication interruptions, chaos at transport hubs the list goes on we are just so deeply ingrained in the EU that to just pull the band-aid off would cause serious long term damage.....so in my view thats out.



Its being well over exagerated....... short term pain for long term gain.

Staying in is slow painful extinction.



Which leaves us one final option, the peoples vote, let the people decide


There was a vote, remember

And the people decided

And the result was LEAVE



Brexit reality is clear and lets remember They won despite having al of Scotland, Ireland and London screaming that they want to remain in the EU.


They LEAVE WON inspite of all the negativity thrown at them from

all quarters



So go back to the polls, call it a "confirmation vote". Let the people decide, when parliament can't, which, make no mistake is the situation right now then let the people decide.


The people did decide only nobody's listening......



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Boris seems to think the EU fears no deal just as much as the UK



They do

But like good poker players they carry it off (lie) better

and with straight faces.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: eletheia

There is zero evidence I have seen that no-deal would be good for the UK. NONE!

Everything points to it being very bad, I have not see a body of evidence that has a optimistic outlook for the UK in the event of a No-Deal situation. Now you might hold a different opinion, which is fine, I am just with the 17 million Brits who voted to remain. I could be curious to know how you think that it would all work out and not be a total disaster.

However, because I believe, based on the dire reports I have read such as the Bank Of England predicting 8% reduction in growth, the fears over securing uk supply lines, the crashing pound (now at a 20 month low by they way), chaos at travel hubs and the impact on the Irish boarder to name but a few I can only conclude that No-Deal should mean no Brexit.

I get that we might disagree on that, really I do, its a differing political opinion however please don't fall into the trap of assuming that because I and others happen to disagree with you that we are ignorant or just fearful. There are very good reasons to believe that moving towards revoking article 50 with a peoples vote is in the best interests of the country.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

The bad things you fear about leaving on wto rules are simply a consequence of the people that we pay fortunes to sort out getting goods across borders have sat on their hands for two years rather than arrange for supplies either from the eu to continue or get new supplies from India, China, the us etc.


Pretty much every problem with Brexit lies at the feet of remainer politicians trying for as little Brexit as possible.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 12:42 PM
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Pretty much every problem with Brexit lies at the feet of remainer politicians trying for as little Brexit as possible.

which I have been told will require another vote
makes sense?



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 12:43 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: eletheia

There is zero evidence I have seen that no-deal would be good for the UK. NONE!


There was a programme on sky where they ran a roll of all the 'business

men' not politicians who had donated to the leave campaign. They have

more to lose than any politicians or you or I. If they are not worried about

the countries economy and that It would destroy their business's I beleive

them before any jumped up politician without business experience.




Everything points to it being very bad, I have not see a body of evidence that has a optimistic outlook for the UK in the event of a No-Deal situation. Now you might hold a different opinion, which is fine, I am just with the 17 million Brits who voted to remain.


And I with the majority who voted leave, and have become more determined

since the EU's bullying stance. Have you ever considered if we were such a loss

and didn't have a future WHY DONT THEY JUST LET US GO?

NO..... we are very useful and economically viable.

I worked in the FMCG trade and this business of goods drying up is rubbish, orders

are predicted weeks/months in advance due to manufacturing and transporting to

the destinations.

In 2016 prior to the leave result Osborne predicted a punitive emergercy budget

and that the country would fall off a cliff. Well he's gone and the countries still

standing. Just watching Richard Tice being interviewed look him up!!




However, because I believe, based on the dire reports I have read such as the Bank Of England predicting 8% reduction in growth, the fears over securing uk supply lines, the crashing pound (now at a 20 month low by they way), chaos at travel hubs and the impact on the Irish boarder to name but a few I can only conclude that No-Deal should mean no Brexit.


Mark Carney said that in 2016 ..... Mervan King disagreed with him then

Now he's coming out with it again !!



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: eletheia




There was a programme on sky where they ran a roll of all the 'business men' not politicians who had donated to the leave campaign.

Name these businessmen. I'll bet my bottom dollar they have business interests beyond the UK and a #load of money offshore.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: eletheia



There was a programme on sky where they ran a roll of all the 'business men' not politicians who had donated to the leave campaign.

Name these businessmen. I'll bet my bottom dollar they have business interests beyond the UK and a #load of money offshore.


They wouldn't be good business men if they didn't expand and grow their

business's would they. Some, probably most started small.

I'm sure you'll be able to pick it up on you tube, roll call of business men

who put their OWN money, lots of it into the leave campaign ...... Would

they spend good money on a failed mission I'd say they were very savvy

very savvy. They are not employee's they are employers.I'll start you off with

a few.....

Jeremy Hoskins

Peter Hargreaves

Robert Edmiston

Crispin Odey

Richard Tice

James Dyson

Sir Jim Ratcliffe

Anthony Bamford

Tim Martin

Simon Wolfson ...........and theres more.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: eletheia
Do you ever stopped to wonder why these billionaire businessmen wish to leave the EU?. These are the rats the EU tries to protect the common working man from.

They all, to a man, would like nothing better than zero hour contracts and zero workers rights. Every one of them would like nothing better than to avoid paying tax and no doubt launder money without the EU's restriction and interference.

And these are the people you trust to tell you everything will be ok?.

Aye, it'll be ok for them, the rest of us are #ed. Seriously Alethia. Just stop voting.

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posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 04:38 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
May, could admit the evidently evident :
the knot is too difficultly tied to undo

The EU admits as much

"Europe" has just handed May the last opportunity
The "get out of Jail for Free" card


The UK could call the whole thing off

The European Court of Justice has ruled the UK can cancel Brexit without the permission of the other 27 EU members.
The ECJ judges ruled this could be done without altering the terms of Britain's membership.

A group of anti-Brexit politicians argued the UK should be able to unilaterally halt Brexit, but they were opposed by the government and EU.

The decision came as Theresa May announced a Commons vote on whether to approve her deal would be postponed.
MPs had been widely expected on Tuesday to reject the EU withdrawal agreement negotiated by Mrs May.

edit on 10-12-2018 by Cassi3l because: Full moon ...



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 04:51 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin




No the issue is much more complex than that.

No
The government not doing what the people vote for is not complex.



Which leaves us one final option, the peoples vote, let the people decide, now Brexit reality is clear and lets remember that Vote Leave have faced several serious accusations around their actions back then.

Did any of those effect the vote count?



They one with a little over 1% of the vote.

Was it required to get more than that? If you have your second vote will 1% be enough for your win or will you require more? What is enough?



They won despite having al of Scotland, Ireland and London screaming that they want to remain in the EU.

Will those be qualifiers as well?



So go back to the polls, call it a "confirmation vote". Let the people decide, when parliament can't, which, make no mistake is the situation right now then let the people decide.

Oh cause the government will do what the people want that time right?
Cause they seem to have a history of not doing that now right?





The people's vote is a dishonest and desperate title. The people using don't even have the courage the call it what it is, EU referendum repeat. Crooks and charlatans all.

Beyond the dishonesty the fundamental problem with the 'peoples vote' is that at the point you have it you invalidate the democratic process and set the scene for unrest.

Why should a single person who voted Leave feel obliged to participate in or honour the result of a second ref "vote again plebs, wrong answer". With the last outcome of a vote having been treated with utter contempt by a corrupt remain establishment.

Then you end up with a divided country, digging in harder to it's positions and unable to resolve a difference through the ballot, as the vote process itself been discredited by political bad faith.

Unwise.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 04:52 PM
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posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: eletheia
Do you ever stopped to wonder why these billionaire businessmen wish to leave the EU?. These are the rats the EU tries to protect the common working man from.


Have you ever stopped to wonder why the EU is desperate to hang on to

the UK? They are trying every each way putting up barriers, and the

underhanded ways of controlling the UK. The 'back stop' should give you

a clue.

Those businessmen are not employing people on zero hour contracts. Take

the time to listen and read about both sides and not fall for slick snake oil

sales talk, Zero hour contracts are operated by small business's and

Macdonalds waiting staff, pizza delivery etc.



They all, to a man, would like nothing better than zero hour contracts and zero workers rights. Every one of them would like nothing better than to avoid paying tax and no doubt launder money without the EU's restriction and interference.



Your contradicting yourself firstly you accused them of doing that, and here

you are saying they would like nothing better.

You dont have to go far for tax avoidance..... MP's ? just saying.

There is so much money wasted and unaccounted for in the EU and if you

believe there are no palms being greased, Do you want to buy a bridge?

Get real.......




And these are the people you trust to tell you everything will be ok?.


I would chuck my lot in with them any day rather than trust the EU Mafia.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: justwokeup

The nation is already divided right now not just down to Brexit but austerity which is spoon fed to us by Tories.

The bastards are posing for photo opportunities at food banks for christ sake.

Brexit, no Brexit, hard, soft or in-between, the fact is May and her government tell lies and attempt to hide things from the public eye.

If there was to be a second referendum its not like a president has not been set for such before.

Whats unwise is jumping out a plane without a parachute, wheres Mays parachute, where is a workable deal other than a no deal?

I say ask the people what they wish to see happen now if Brexit it's still the will of the people then so be it, but something has to give.
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posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 06:09 PM
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Isn't delaying the vote also fraying the inevitable? I mean she can go back to her EU Counterparts all she wants but the deal is the only deal she'll get. Not only that, waiting until January doesn't give much wiggle room on what to do if/when her deal fails.

I wonder what the people who have become of voting age think of not being allowed a say in their future too.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 08:11 PM
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a reply to: djz3ro

Well if she comes back with anything else other than the deal she already proposed, the best and only deal according to her, then that just goes to prove her lies in the house of commons and to the people once again.

Mays days are numbered, and hopefully also the Tories, but the cost to the people remains to be seen.

She should be swinging from London bridge by her own hand!
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posted on Dec, 11 2018 @ 03:15 AM
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Of course I meant delaying but wrote fraying instead.


I guess if she comes out with another EU approved deal that goes to prove the word of the EU and the word of May have the same value.



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