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British Government on the Verge of Collapse.

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posted on Dec, 5 2018 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: eletheia
hey eletheia.
i know people are intimidated by walls of text but heres 5 background articles.
takes 5-20 mins article.
one a day if you are busy

please verify the information linked to your own satisfaction, dont trust anyone but yourself.
its useful to have geopolitical and historical background in an article to give it context.
voltairenet has some excellent analysts (in my opinion, wiki reckons they are conspiracy theorists so another gold star there, lol.
copy pasted a little blurb from each one so you can identify them.

At the request of President François Hollande, the French Socialist Party has published a note on the international “conspiracy theorist" movement. His goal: to prepare new legislation prohibiting it to express itself. In the US, the September 11, 2001 coup established a "permanent state of emergency" (Patriot Act), launching a series of imperial wars. Gradually, the European elites have aligned with their counterparts across the Atlantic. Everywhere, people are worried about being abandoned by their States and they question their institutions. Seeking to retain power, the elites are now ready to use force to gag their opposition.
www.voltairenet.org...

Zionism is the winner in British elections
by Stuart Littlewood
The emergence of the Conservative Party as the largest party in the UK parliament following the 6 May general election will guarantee the continued stranglehold of Israel’s mouthpieces over British politics and put British security at considerable risk, argues Stuart Littlewood. It now remains to be seen whether "outsider" Nick Clegg’s critical views on Israel will continue to resonate now that he is Deputy Prime Minister
www.voltairenet.org...

We will work to secure ambitious trade deals when we leave the EU, including potentially embracing the opportunity to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership.
www.voltairenet.org...

While the world Press is searching for ways to re-start the reconstruction of Europe, still without Russia and now without the United Kingdom, Thierry Meyssan considers that nothing can now prevent the collapse of the system. However, he points out, what is at stake is not the European Union itself, but the institutions which enable the domination of the world by the United States, and the integrity of the United States themselves.
www.voltairenet.org...

Thierry Meyssan pursues his study of national foreign policies. After having analysed the policy of France, he now turns to that of the United Kingdom. While the former is considered to be the « private domain » of the President of the Republic, and as such, escapes the democratic debate, the latter, even more so, is elaborated by an elite gathered around the monarch, outside of any form of popular control. Thus the elected Prime Minister can do no more than implement the choice of the hereditary Crown. Faced with the failure of the US project for a unipolar world, London is attempting to restore its erstwhile imperial power.
www.voltairenet.org...




posted on Dec, 5 2018 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: Azureblue
I'm not the OP, I was just curious to get your take on things. I foresaw the mess we're in also. It was inevitable because, when we voted nobody had any idea how to implement it, it was pretty much a blind vote.



posted on Dec, 5 2018 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: djz3ro


It was likened to a divorce ......

Which equates to splitting / breaking up / separating / leaving /

It happens ALL THE TIME ....... Assets split ..... debts split .....


WHERE/WHY/HOW DOES A DEAL COME INTO IT



I don't know of anyone who wanted a divorce and couldn't get one.

This one must be a first. /smh.






edit on 5-12-2018 by eletheia because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 5 2018 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: djz3ro


It was likened to a divorce ......

Which equates to splitting / breaking up / separating / leaving /

It happens ALL THE TIME ....... Assets split ..... debts split .....


WHERE/WHY/HOW DOES A DEAL COME INTO IT



I don't know of anyone who wanted a divorce and couldn't get one.

This one must be a first. /smh.







It's problematic because the majority of MPs and the entirety of the establishment charged with executing Leave really want to remain.

The whole thing has been an exercise in going through the motions, deception and self sabotage.

If we actually want to leave we will have to burn the establishment down first. That's the truth of it.



posted on Dec, 5 2018 @ 06:10 PM
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The Brexit chaos has a simple cause. The ruling Conservative Party is catastrophically out of touch and keeps itself ignorant through belief in its own superiority.

Watching this Government trying to negotiate Brexit is like watching a horror film where you can see the monster looming up behind the heroine, who is obliviously trying to phone the police for help.

If you doubt this, just look at the number of Tory MPs who have only this week woken up to the problems of the Northern Ireland backstop. It's a constitutional problem that has been known about (and talked about) since day one by the Republic of Ireland (and the EU) but that has taken the Government completely by surprise because they never imagined it existed.

That is why (e.g.) the Conservatives simply brushed aside the recent UN special rapporteur on poverty, who issued formal findings of what amount to human rights abuses in relation to UK social security policies and their knock-on social effects.

I could multiply instances, but you can do it yourself. This Conservative delusional state is why you get spivs and chancers like Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg coming out with the most outrageous fantasies while keeping a straight face -- they have never checked their facts, so they aren't aware of their claims being impossible.

(JRM in particular relies on his aura as some kind of classically-educated Victorian schoolmaster. If you double-check him often enough, you can trace most of his bull5h1t to bad Wikipedia edits. The man's a snob and a charlatan.)

The chaos enveloping Theresa May's Government was completely avoidable. But they chose to look the other way when they started down this path, and now they're lost. It's time for them to be replaced, and hopefully Labour can intervene in time to prevent disaster on March 29th.

Of course, the above is a straightforward political reading. The conspiracy theory is just as plausible, and far worse.



posted on Dec, 5 2018 @ 07:11 PM
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posted on Dec, 5 2018 @ 07:17 PM
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"Of course, the above is a straightforward political reading. The conspiracy theory is just as plausible, and far worse. "

far, far worse.
we must work with what we have.
and its not theory.
we must work with what we have.
CONTEMPT OF PARLIAMENT
i dont think you understand what this implies...
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edit on 5-12-2018 by username74 because: or perhaps you do



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 07:40 AM
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Further to my previous post regarding divorce.....



It was likened to a divorce ......

Which equates to splitting / breaking up / separating / leaving /

It happens ALL THE TIME ....... Assets split ..... debts split .....



What about the *children* in a divorce, all things considered the parents get

equal access?

So in the 45 years of *marriage* there have been children? I'm not sure how

many I haven't looked into it ...... but there is one I know of, Galileo and we

are to be denied access .......

www.theguardian.com...


Justice ......
Is heavily weighed in favour of the EU.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 02:31 AM
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originally posted by: djz3ro
a reply to: Azureblue
I'm not the OP, I was just curious to get your take on things. I foresaw the mess we're in also. It was inevitable because, when we voted nobody had any idea how to implement it, it was pretty much a blind vote.


Thanks

Interesting comment; I would have thought it would be rather straight forward.

The vote was carried.

Advise Brussels.

Draft and pass the required enabling legislation.

Draw up a list of agreements to be reviewed with view towards amending those agreement

Prepare for punishment from Brussels for leaving the EU

Chart the course for the next 10-15 years absent the EU.

Draw up a list of priorities and policies required to be changed or developed and implemented to go where the course has been set.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 02:40 AM
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a reply to: Azureblue

It should have been straight forward but it was obvious that nobody had a clue how to make it happen, and everyone who was involved in making Brexit happen should, in my opinion anyway, been enough to convince everyone what a bad idea it was, surely Nigel Farage should have stayed and rode the Brexit Train all tbe way to Number 10, at which point I'd take up one of the offers I have of a place to stay in a foreign land..



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 04:03 AM
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originally posted by: djz3ro
a reply to: Azureblue

It should have been straight forward but it was obvious that nobody had a clue how to make it happen, and everyone who was involved in making Brexit happen should, in my opinion anyway, been enough to convince everyone what a bad idea it was, surely Nigel Farage should have stayed and rode the Brexit Train all tbe way to Number 10, at which point I'd take up one of the offers I have of a place to stay in a foreign land..


Nigel Farage wasn't even allowed to be part of the official leave campaign.

The tories didn't want leave to win and they didn't want him getting any capital out of the referendum so they did their best to sideline him as much as they could.


People keep saying he jumped ship, but he was never allowed on board.
The real fault lies with all 650 MP's who spent the past 2 years not preparing for a proper, no deal Brexit, but instead wasted their tie trying to overturn the result, to ignore it or to try and fashion a deal that does nothing but keep us locked into the union.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 04:04 AM
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originally posted by: Azureblue
Interesting comment; I would have thought it would be rather straight forward.
The vote was carried.
Advise Brussels.
Draft and pass the required enabling legislation.
Draw up a list of agreements to be reviewed with view towards amending those agreement
Prepare for punishment from Brussels for leaving the EU
Draw up a list of priorities and policies required to be changed or developed and implemented to go where the course has been set.


As you said pretty straight forward except for the fact that most of all the MP's

didn't want to leave and never expected the vote to go the way it did!! they

were quite happy taking their orders and pocketing their salaries and expenses.


They being politicians and not business people 'hadn't got a clue.


Send in the experts


Farage (who had campaigned for years to leave) )should have been brought in along

with some of the business men who wanted to leave, they are used and adept at

negotiation ....but I think all that wasted time was used to make us look cornered

and to try to find ways to make us remain, if for no other reason as an example to

the other countries waiting/wanting to leave too.


WHAT HAPPENED TO BREXIT MEANS BREXIT? the slogan Mrs May used to get

elected to PM.

She's used five slogans that I can recall, notice the subtle or not to subtle changes


#1 Brexit means Brexit

#2 Nothings agreed till every things agreed

#3 NO deal is better than a BAD deal (what happened to that one)

#4 My deal is the best/only deal

#5 Its My Deal or NO BREXIT



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 04:18 AM
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originally posted by: audubon
I could multiply instances, but you can do it yourself. This Conservative delusional state is why you get spivs and chancers like Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg coming out with the most outrageous fantasies while keeping a straight face -- they have never checked their facts, so they aren't aware of their claims being impossible.

(JRM in particular relies on his aura as some kind of classically-educated Victorian schoolmaster. If you double-check him often enough, you can trace most of his bull5h1t to bad Wikipedia edits. The man's a snob and a charlatan.)

I agree Boris Johnson is a complete liar (and buffoon)!

However, I find him Jacob-Rees Mogg quite honorable, though I don't agree with everything he says and stands for. Could you give us a couple of examples how JRM has lied?



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 04:23 AM
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originally posted by: eletheia
#5 Its My Deal or NO BREXIT

That wasn't what she originally said though.
She originally said it's "my deal or no deal" (i.e. fully hard Brexit).
Now it has changed to "my deal, hard Brexit or no Brexit"
Possibly to scare people from both sides, to vote for her deal.

Now the media are saying it's either her deal, no deal, a softer Brexit or another referendum.

So basically only one of those four options will give us the Brexit that most people voted for!
We are being screwed over.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 04:41 AM
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originally posted by: 83Liberty

However, I find him Jacob-Rees Mogg quite honorable, though I don't agree with everything he says and stands for. Could you give us a couple of examples how JRM has lied?



I agree with you well spoken a little excentric perhaps....

What I feel is that most people hold it against him for his education.

But's thats surely what we need to represent our country? I feel he would

of held his own with Barnier et al and probably in their own language too!!



When Rees-Mogg was ten, he was left £50 by a distant cousin and his father, on his behalf, invested in shares in the now-defunct General Electric Company (GEC). Rees-Mogg ascribes to this event the beginnings of his interest in stock markets. Having learned how to read company reports and balance sheets, he later attended a shareholders' meeting at GEC, where he voted against a motion because dividends were too low.[7] He subsequently invested in London-based conglomerate Lonrho, eventually owning 340 shares, and reportedly caused the company's chairman Lord Duncan-Sandys "discomfort" by quizzing him at an annual general meeting on the low dividends offered to shareholders. At GEC in 1981, where he now owned 175 shares, he told the chairman Lord Nelson that the dividend on offer was "pathetic", sparking amusement among board members and media.[21]


en.wikipedia.org...


If anyone can be called a liar surely it is Thresa May's blatant lying in Parliament

as she did.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 04:45 AM
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I like JRM too.

Don't get me wrong, he isnt the sort of person I would choose to spend an evening in the pub with, but I do think he would make a pretty good PM when it comes to dealing with other nation's leaders.


That said, I have my doubts about whether he has any empathy for the people in this country who are not like him.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 04:50 AM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK
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The real fault lies with all 650 MP's who spent the past 2 years not preparing for a proper, no deal Brexit, but instead wasted their tie trying to overturn the result, to ignore it or to try and fashion a deal that does nothing but keep us locked into the union.



I agree 100%



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 04:53 AM
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originally posted by: 83Liberty
That wasn't what she originally said though.
She originally said it's "my deal or no deal" (i.e. fully hard Brexit).
Now it has changed to "my deal, hard Brexit or no Brexit"
Possibly to scare people from both sides, to vote for her deal.



Thats part of the problem she changes her mind more often than she changes her

underwear?




Now the media are saying it's either her deal, no deal, a softer Brexit or another referendum.

So basically only one of those four options will give us the Brexit that most people voted for!
We are being screwed over.



Well the others and she will never get in again.... I dont suppose she'll care

she's had her five minutes of fame!!

Leaves me in a quandry to vote or not to vote? and let that clown Corybn in .....

a fate worse than death.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 06:21 AM
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originally posted by: Azureblue



Prepare for punishment from Brussels for leaving the EU


Pre-emptive strike, punish the EU.



Chart the course for the next 10-15 years absent the EU.


Get radical.


Draw up a list of priorities and policies required to be changed or developed and implemented to go where the course has been set.


Sort out our infrastructure. Renationalise everything and advise shareholders who want compensation to follow correct legal process.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 06:41 AM
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I don't really think it is comparable to a divorce. With a divorce, you sign a marriage contract and obviously you have legal documents to sign regarding assets, housing, etc, but it is only a relative few documents.

With Brexit, we have over 40'000 legal acts to go through covering trade alone. Add to that the 40-50 years of social, cultural and political harmonisation, all covered by legal agreements, there is a huge amount to unpick.

It was never going to be a case of "Brexit has been voted so now we simply leave". If you think back to the monster thread over the last couple of years, i pointed this out very early on. It is a long and complicated procedure that will inevitably end up a lose lose situation for both us and the EU. As such, there is no perfect deal out there. May's plan wasn't good but it at least was workable. I have yet to see an MP that is against this plan offer a viable alternative - although i do see an awful lot of "cakeism".



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